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- From: maxtal@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (John MAX Skaller)
- Subject: Re: Software design =/= Programming
- Message-ID: <1992Nov8.031423.16207@ucc.su.OZ.AU>
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- References: <josef.720690811@uranium> <1992Nov04.073218.11970@cadlab.sublink.org> <1dcuutINNi8t@agate.berkeley.edu>
- Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 03:14:23 GMT
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- In article <1dcuutINNi8t@agate.berkeley.edu> faustus@ygdrasil.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Wayne A. Christopher) writes:
- >In article <1992Nov04.073218.11970@cadlab.sublink.org> martelli@cadlab.sublink.org (Alex Martelli) writes:
- >> The point of Goedel's Theorem is, that for *ANY* formal system "powerful
- >> enough" ... there will be *true* statements about the formal
- >> systems that cannot be proven from that set of axioms!!!
- >
- >Not exactly -- what it says is that for any set of axioms A there will
- >be statements S such that A does not imply S and A does not imply not
- >S. The notion of truth doesn't come into it, since in a formal system
- >either something is provable or isn't.
- >
- > Wayne
-
- The notion of truth DOES come into it. The above is only the
- first part of the theorem. Statements which cannot be proved or disproved
- are called undecidable. Goedel showed that some undecidable statements
- can be proved to be undecidable (out side the system) and thus they
- must be true (since no counter examples exist). Thus there are true
- statements in mathematics which cannot be *formally* proved.
-
- The proof is truly wonderous to work through.
-
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