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- From: rhodesia@wixer.cactus.org (Felix S. Gallo)
- Subject: Re: VI??? GROSS!
- Message-ID: <1992Nov12.232530.18958@wixer.cactus.org>
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- Sender: rhodesia@wixer.cactus.org (Felix S. Gallo)
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- References: <1992Oct28.162607.5613@sunvax.sun.ac.za> <1992Oct28.214551.21668@wixer.cactus.org> <LYT86XN@math.fu-berlin.de>
- Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 23:25:30 GMT
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- wolff@inf.fu-berlin.de (Thomas Wolff) writes:
- >rhodesia@wixer.cactus.org (Felix S. Gallo) writes:
- >
- >>psst. vi is full screen; also, the relative 'goodness' of an
- >>editor depends on what you're trying to do. For instance, if
- >>you're trying to have a completely integrated one-program
- >>environment that reads news and everything, check out gnuemacs.
- >>If you can't stand these fancy newfangled "tools", use cat.
- >>If you live modally, vi is for you.
- >
- >Full screen: in some sense, vi is. But not screen-oriented. Changing
- >or inserting text and not seeing the result unless a finish key is
- >pressed is certainly not the behaviour I would wish from an interactive
- >editor - it reminds a lot of old batch-time editing programs.
-
- Have you used vi? When you change or insert text, what you see is
- what you get. Your edits immediately affect the text you change or
- insert.
-
- >Vi is a line editor with on-screen display. Actually, I wouldn't even
- >call it a text editor since (according to some recent discussion in this
- >group) it is not even capable of performing one of the most elementary
- >text editing tasks: marking an arbitrary (!) block of text and by some
- >means copying or moving it to another place.
-
- I don't know what discussion in this group you read, but something was
- clearly lost in the translation process between screen and brain. You
- have a variety of options available to you as far as cutting and pasting
- goes in vi. You can use, for instance, 'm'ark and 'y'ank and 'p'ut. Have
- you used vi, or looked at an actual description of the editor?
-
- >As a reaction to my moroseness about the apparent unavailability of a
- >simple text editor for Unix and the monstrous complexity and slowness
- >of the only widely spread alternative (emacs), I captured the source
- >of a freely available editor and turned it into a safe, fast, and easy
- >to use text editor. (I also announced it to this group some time ago.)
- >It is available by ftp from ftp.fu-berlin.de [130.133.4.50]:
- >/pub/unix/editor/mined.tar.Z (108841 bytes)
- >/pub/pc/editor/mined_pc.zip (114522 bytes)
-
- It's good that people are still writing editors -- heck, I'm doing it
- myself -- but don't post treatises on editors that you obviously don't
- know about in order to hype your own.
-
- >Thomas
- >wolff@inf.fu-berlin.de
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