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- From: jdk@sequent.com (Jeff Kayser)
- Newsgroups: comp.databases.oracle
- Subject: Re: Sun Selected as Oracle's Primary RDBMS Development Platform
- Message-ID: <1992Nov5.183246.19383@sequent.com>
- Date: 5 Nov 92 18:32:46 GMT
- Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Nov5.183246.19383
- Sender: usenet@sequent.com (usenet )
- Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
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-
- In case anyone wants a different perspective on the recent Sun/Oracle
- announcement, here is Sequent's position, described in an email note
- that was distributed internally. Sequent is working on a formal reply,
- which will be made public as soon as it is finished.
-
- If you have been following other threads from Sun, you might also
- get a chuckle out of the facts that:
-
- 1) Sun is having difficulty moving from Sequents to Suns internally.
- The versions of the Oracle Financials and Manufacturing software
- they need for migration are not available on the Sun platform
- (but are available on Sequents).
-
- 2) They have trouble shutting down their Oracle databases. On the
- Sequent ports of the products, there is a script called 'dbshut'
- which shuts down all of the databases identified in "/etc/oratab".
-
-
- * / / Jeff Kayser
- __/ /___/ Sequent Computer Systems
- / / / / \ 15450 S.W. Koll Parkway
- / (__/ / \ Beaverton, OR 97006-6063
- /__/ (503) 578-3813 jdk@sequent.com
-
-
- >From jlynch@sequent.sequent.com Wed Oct 28 10:44 PST 1992
- From: Jim Lynch <jlynch@sequent.sequent.com>
- Message-Id: <9210281840.AA09100@sequent.sequent.com>
- Subject: Sequent still on Top at Oracle!
- To: sales@sequent.sequent.com, compinfo@sequent.sequent.com
- Date: Wed, 28 Oct 92 10:40:25 PST
- Priority: normal
- X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.2 CRG PL14c]
-
-
- To: Sales, Compinfo
-
- Fr: Jim Lynch, Oracle Program Manager
- Randy Hawkins, Oracle Applications Program Manager
- Sandi Schaefer, Oracle Manufacturing Program Manager
-
-
- Subj: Sun announcement with Oracle
-
-
- The purpose of this message is to clear the air regarding the
- Sun/Oracle announcement on Tuesday. As usual, Sun has made a
- mountain out of a molehill in an attempt to get the most mileage out
- of this announcement.
-
- The bottom line is that Oracle will be purchasing Sun workstations and
- servers to replace X-terms and VAX equipment in the Kernel group.
- These workstations and servers will be used for tools, distributed
- database, and client/server development. This sale of Sun equipment
- is a direct result of Sun purchasing $11 million in Oracle prepaids
- in May of 1992 (prepaids and site licenses for AOracle Applications).
-
- Sequent currently has two very large 2000/750 systems in the Kernel
- group. These systems are used for centralized database development
- and the source control system for all RDBMS products in the kernel
- group. As the Sun equipment is rolled in, Sequent will be the backend
- RDBMS server for the Sun clients. We are also negotiating with Oracle
- to move the Parallel Server development onto Sequent (Sun currently
- does not have a product in this area).
-
- We have discussed Sun's announcement with Oracle and they have agreed
- that it needs to be clarified. We have asked Oracle to provide us
- with a statement or letter to publically clarify the development
- environment for our customers and prospects. I will make this
- available as soon as we receive it.
-
-
-
- Attached are portions of the announcement that I will try to clarify.
-
- *********************************************************************
-
-
- > Oracle Purchases Additional Workstations and Servers
- > For Next-Generation RDBMS Product Development
- >
- >
- > MOUNTAIN VIEW, Calif. -- October 27, 1992 -- Sun Microsystems
- > Computer Corporation (SMCC) announced today that Oracle Corporation has
- > selected the Sun(TM) platform as its primary development platform for its
- > next-generation RDBMS software products.
- >
- As I stated earlier, Sun will be the development platform for
- Tools, distributed database, and client/server applications.
- Sequent will be used for centralized database, VLDB, and
- high-end server development.
-
-
- > "Our customers demand outstanding distributed database performance,"
- > said Scott McNealy, Sun Microsystems president and chief executive officer.
- > "As Oracle's main RDBMS development platform, SPARC(R)/Solaris(R) will give
- > our mutual users the ultimate combination of distributed, client-server
- > capabilities and performance for UNIX client-server applications. Oracle's
- > selection of Sun is still more proof that companies increasingly develop
- > their core business applications on Sun."
- >
-
- McNealy confirms that they will focus on distributed and
- client/server applications.
-
-
- > In May, Oracle announced that Sun Microsystems will be using its
- > Oracle Manufacturing(R) and Oracle Financials(R) applications suites for
- > worldwide automation of its manufacturing facilities.
- >
-
- Sequent was a beta site for Oracle Financials and
- Manufacturing. We have had Financials installed
- for four years and Manufacturing for almost 2 years.
- This puts Sun four years behind Sequent.
-
-
- > In June, Oracle and Sun reported the highest-ever Transaction
- > Processing Council(TM)-A (TPC-A) Benchmark performance to date on a Sun
- > system. The result, 107.28 transactions per second (tpsA), was achieved on
- > a Sun SPARCserver 690MP system running ORACLE7.
- >
-
- In June, Sequent announced 605tps-A performance on
- ORACLE7. This result is 6 times faster than Sun's
- high-end SMP system. We are already working on the
- next benchmark with ptx/Clusters and OPS and that
- will take us even higher in Q1 of 93.
-
-
- > In August, the two companies announced a joint development agreement
- > in which developers from SMCC's technical staff have teamed with Oracle
- > developers to enhance and localize the Oracle Financials and Oracle
- > Manufacturing applications that are being used throughout Sun Microsystems
- > worldwide operations.
- >
-
- As stated earlier, Oracle and Sequent have been
- working together for several years on Oracle
- Financials and Manufacturing. We are now discussing
- how to parallelize portions of these applications
- to improve performance on Sequent in high volume
- transaction environments.
-
-
- Other areas where Sequent has an advantage over Sun are:
-
- *******************************************************************
- *******************************************************************
-
- 1. Oracle Corp. runs their business on Sequent! In fact, they just
- installed ORACLE7 and Financials on a Sequent (WRSEQ) running in
- production. This is the first system in the world to run ORACLE7,
- and Financials in a production environment and this system is a
- Sequent. When Oracle puts their business on-line, they put it on
- Sequent! (Note: ORACLE7 and Financials is only in production at
- Oracle. It will not be released to customers for several months.)
-
- *******************************************************************
- *******************************************************************
-
- 2. ORACLE7 Parallel Server - we are going beta in November. Sun
- currently has no plans for developing this product.
-
-
- 3. Sequent is a member of MOSES along with Oracle. We are working
- with our customers to develop and implement standards for managing
- and operating massive open systems.
-
-
- 4. Sequent is working with Oracle on the VLDB project to provide
- incremental backup and restore of the Oracle database on Sequent.
-
-
- See the Sequent Field Monthly for more details on each of these, as
- well as info on the development environments at Oracle in the
- Applications and Unix divisions.
-
-
- Good luck and Good Selling. We are still on top and will continue to
- work hard to maintain that position.
-
- Regards,
-
- Jim
- Randy
- Sandi
-