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- From: thompson@stars.gsfc.nasa.gov (William Thompson, code 682.1, x2040)
- Subject: Confusion of tools
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- Keywords: Windows/4GL, tools
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- Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 20:23:00 GMT
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- I just saw a demo of Ingres's Windows/4GL product, and let me tell you: I'm
- impressed. Windows/4GL lets one define windows-based query forms in a
- graphical environment without making the user/developer know much about
- programming.
-
- However, having said that, there is one deficiency that Windows/4GL doesn't
- seem to address, and that is it doesn't really help the user/developer
- formulate the 4GL code that sits behind all those buttons and sliders, etc.,
- for those people who aren't SQL literate. Ingres does have another product,
- Ingres/Vision which does look like it would address this issue, but doesn't
- seem to be well integrated with Windows/4GL.
-
- I've also talked to other SQL DBMS vendors, and they often seem to have a
- plethora of different products, report writers, forms generators, etc., which
- to a novice like myself seems quite confusing.
-
- What we need is a single integrated environment for all database interaction,
- for both developer and user alike. It must be easy to use, and support a wide
- variety of windows environments (Motif, OpenLook, Microsoft Windows,
- Presentation Manager, MacIntosh). If the product line does need to be split up
- into several different products, then these products should all have a similar
- look and feel, and should be integrated together, i.e. able to communicate
- information back and forth between themselves. It's too much to ask people to
- learn one thing for generating forms on the screen, another thing for
- generating printed output, and another thing for generating SQL statements (or
- for that matter to learn SQL). This is the direction Unix database vendors
- need to be thinking about.
-
- Having said that, Ingres's Windows/4GL is the best thing I've seen so far for
- making it easy for users to interact with an SQL database. If anyone knows of
- a better product, either from a database or third-party vendor, that runs on a
- variety of platforms (Unix, DOS, VMS, etc.) I would like to hear about it.
-
- Bill Thompson
-