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- From: buckland@ucs.ubc.ca (Tony Buckland)
- Newsgroups: can.general
- Subject: A Constitutional Convention?
- Date: 6 Nov 1992 19:12:02 GMT
- Organization: University Computing Services, UBC, Canada
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- One idea brought up during the referendum debate was replacing
- the present progression from public hearings up to a First
- Ministers (and other parties) meeting that decides everything,
- with a convention. The notion of around a hundred "ordinary
- Canadians, no politicians" was also mentioned.
-
- Well, if we were going to have a convention, how would it
- actually work? How would the delegates be selected? I don't
- imagine appointment by the governments - say, 10 per province
- and 10 for the Ottawa - would go over very well (from here on,
- I'll omit without prejudice Native leaders, etc., for simplicity,
- but let's all understand they'd be involved somehow). It would
- just be the First Ministers meeting on a larger and much slower
- scale, with the delegates on the phone all the time for
- instructions.
-
- Selection by election? Let anybody run, or keep down to a
- bearable number of candidates by requiring a number of supporters?
- But in the latter case, you have to find say 1000 people who agree
- with you enough to nominate you to represent them. How does that
- differ from political parties and interest groups? You're not
- an ordinary Canadian any more, you're de facto a politician.
- Even supposing OCs could somehow be the candidates, how do they
- get to be elected? They have to present themselves to the public
- as more desirable than the other candidates. Even if they are
- to represent something no bigger than a riding, that takes money;
- even if TV time and newspaper space were free, there is still
- expensive preparation of commercials and ads - if you expect to
- win over others who use these techniques. You need people behind
- you. Rich backers, political parties, interest and pressure groups.
- Politics, again.
-
- Selection by lottery? Now no interest group or party is represented
- except by pure luck. And every one of them will be screaming that
- whatever agreement is reached doesn't have their input and likely
- doesn't meet their demands. And some of them, such as the party in
- power in any province, are powerful enough to veto the agreement
- after the convention. Unless, that is, you intended the convention's
- product to be put into power by decree with no subsequent votes,
- amendments, acts of various legislatures or referenda.
-
- Assume - which, frankly, I don't - that the convention could somehow
- be assembled in an acceptable way. How would it reach a decision?
- I think a lot of people would insist on consensus. Given the issues
- in this country, I think that would be completely impossible to reach.
- But if they decide by majority vote, the interest groups behind
- the nay-voting elected delegates, or the interest groups who
- disagreed with the result if the delegates were selected by lottery,
- would declare the result unacceptable.
-
- I don't think the notion of a constitutional convention would solve
- anything.
-