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- Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 09:01:42 -0600
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- From: buchanan@BME1.UTMEM.EDU
- Subject: Re: Education Pricing Program 1
- In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 04 Nov 92 10:56:59 CST."
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- Responding to my post, Harry Flowers from Memphis State writes:
-
- >I think you should check on this. To my knowledge, Tennessee state law
- >doesn't forbid using DECdirect. If it did, there are certainly a lot of
- >people breaking this law ;-). Once you've got approval to purchase an item
- ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
- >for a certain price, it doesn't really matter what channel is used; the
- ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
- >terms and conditions are the same.
- I didn't mean to imply we could not use DEC direct but only that there
- was a bid process (sometimes informal) involved. I am told from within
- DEC and from within Memphis State that the Memphis State DEC
- representative gets around this by bidding the educational (DECdirect)
- price. Our rep, 9 times out of 10, bids the commercial price which
- screws everything up. For example, we had to have three bids (taking 3
- months) on a DECstation 5000/200 to 5000/240 upgrade before the right
- price (which I knew before we started) was bid. Obviously, the ****
- thing was almost obsolete before we were even able to buy it.
-
- >True. But, if you get too ridiculous in your demands, you'll have trouble
- >finding any major vendors who will deal with you in a price-competitive
- >fashion.
- It is not ridiculous to ask that the DEC rep who screwed something up
- answer my phone calls and help straighten it out. To the point, I am
- concerned that under the new rules there might not be a mechanism to
- straighten things out or worse, that the "approval to purchase an item
- for a certain price"--your words, (which I say requires a bid and/or
- negotiation involving purchasing) might not be attainable under the
- combination of our state system and the new DEC system.
-
- >Now, if you have problems dealing with UT Purchasing, that's
- >another story ;-).
- I would be the last to deny that they are part of the problem.
-
- >All the board schools have DEC equipment, and we're under the
- >same state laws.
- We have plenty of DEC equipment as well and if I didn't care about how
- much money I paid for the product, there would be no problems. But,
- for example, when a bid for a $3600 (educational price) item comes in
- from DEC at $12,000 and it happens repeatedly, I suspect something is
- wrong. And when the DEC bidder justifies it to the UT purchasing agent
- by stating that the University of Tennessee doesn't come under the
- educational initiative then I know something is wrong. The purchasing
- agent's solution is "don't buy anything from DEC". Since I have been a
- DEC supporter and user for years, I would like DEC to help me find an
- alternate solution. As a customer, that really isn't a lot to ask.
- The new DEC educational policy may be a step in that direction. My
- only point for bringing this up was that if the rules are too rigid, it
- could, in an unintended fashion, make it harder, not easier, for the customer.
- Jack Buchanan
- UT, Memphis
-