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- Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 12:45:28 EST
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- From: "Bruce E. Nevin" <bnevin@CCB.BBN.COM>
- Subject: propositions
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- [From: Bruce Nevin (Fri 921113 12:34:38)]
-
- (Martin Taylor 921113 11:15) --
-
- > three useful levels of feedback about
- >a proposition (possibly a very complex one):
- >
- >1) to repeat the words back assured the original talker (O) that the
- > recipient (R) had received the correct words.
-
- >2) To paraphrase the proposition assured O that R had understood the
- > interrelations (syntactic, semantic, pragmatic) of the words, and
-
- Thanks for this about Pask, whom I too have always found needlessly
- obscure. Henry Hiz also wrote about paraphrasing to demonstrate
- understanding.
-
- >3) To describe the effect of the proposition in another way (O said "circle"
- > and R says "you mean the locus of points equidistant on a plane from a
- > given point") means that R understood the proposition.
-
- To "describe the effect of the proposition" is to describe the
- perceptions with which one associates the proposition, no?
-
- >Pask argued that third-level feedback gave an iron-clad guarantee that
- >R had received what O intended to send. Such an agreement seems to me
- >to be more than a simple agreement about a simple perception, and far
- >more than 'an agreement like "yes, we employed that string of words."'
-
- But (3) is not an agreement about a proposition, unless you mean
- "proposition" in some prelinguistic sense, e.g. a supposed mentalese.
- Perhaps I misunderstood what Bill Cunningham meant by the word. If we
- are interposing some third sort of entity between language perceptions
- and nonverbal perceptions, please elaborate.
-
- Bruce
- bn@bbn.com
-