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- Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 09:54:43 EST
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- From: "Bruce E. Nevin" <bnevin@CCB.BBN.COM>
- Subject: Avery: consensus
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- [From: Bruce Nevin (Fri 921113 07:53:30)]
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- (Avery Andrews (921112.951) ) --
-
- Re membership & consensual reality, yes of course, we test agreements
- against "private" (nonconsensual) perceptions. But not all the time or
- rigorously or exhaustively, that would be too exhausting and would
- cripple higher purposes. No, we live to an astonishing extent in a
- universe of imagined perceptions and "the world" lets us get away with
- it. I think consensual reality enables this: the agreements that are
- reached and inherited (learned) as part of culture are such as don't get
- us into trouble. That is their evolutionary value.
-
- >does seem to me as a parent that neither I nor my wife spent much time
- >correcting syntax and subcategorization errors - what stands out is the
- >corrections of morphology, and some usage issues, such as the much/many
- >distinction.
-
- Most correction is done by the child without adults' awareness,
- comparing what she said with what adults said back, etc., where what is
- said back etc. (even if providing a corrected image) was not said with
- the conscious intention of correcting.
-
- I understood from Parry & Lord when I read their book years ago that the
- epics certainly must have been composed and rehearsed beforehand, not
- extemporized on the spot, and that the repeated formulaic passages
- helped them to remember it all, and gave them a breather of sorts to get
- set for the next section of more demanding material. My observation is
- that just this sort of thing happens a lot in conversations--Penni just
- gave a sort of limiting case where no sort of conversation is foreseen
- (in imagination) that is not too demanding, and nothing is produced but
- breather-formulae. It certainly happens a lot in politicians' Q&A responses.
-
- (Avery Andrews 921113.1047) --
-
- The perceptions of agreements that we each build up internally to
- constitute consensual reality for ourselves do seem to be out there in
- the world, just as other perceptions seem to be out there in the world.
- (Bill: as before, the operative word here is "seem".)
-
- Bruce
- bn@bbn.com
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