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- Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:55:04 PST
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- From: Penni Sibun <sibun@PARC.XEROX.COM>
- Subject: Re: meaningful or less
- In-Reply-To: "Bruce E. Nevin"'s message of Tue,
- 10 Nov 1992 09:58:20 -0800
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- (penni sibun 921110.1600) --
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- [From: Bruce Nevin (Tue 921110 12:55:31)]
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- (penni sibun 921109.1300) --
-
- just to add one more cycle to this, i think we're disagreeing even
- less that you think.
-
- Where we differ is this: you would rule meaning out; I urge instead that
- meaning is pervasive. But we apparently mean different things by
- "meaning."
-
- the concept of ``meaning,'' or anything else, is useful in a theory
- only insofar as it has explanatory power. you seem to be saying here
- that meaning is everything--is inherent. to say that something is
- everything isn't much different from saying it is nothing: what good
- does it do to say ``that has property x'' when everything has property
- x?
-
- You went on to ask:
-
- > why can't speech actions
- >be just like other actions, which presumably aren't mediated by
- >``meaning''?
-
- I affirm that "speech actions can be just like other actions" but I deny
- your presumption, now that I understand what you mean by "mediated by
- meaning" (or I think I do).
-
- the rest of your discussion was interesting, but i didn't see it as
- addressing your point. it's not clear to me whether you think
- speech actions are distinguished actions or not. (my argument is that
- they are not distinguished (in any nonincidental way)).
-
- cheers.
-
- --penni
-