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- From: marken@aero.org (Richard Marken)
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- Subject: Re: PCT slogans
- Date: 10 Nov 1992 21:31:34 GMT
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- Martin Taylor (921110 14:15)
-
- >A reference discussed a few months ago:
- >Vallacher, R.R. and Wegner, D.M. (1987) "What do people think they're doing?
- >Action identification and human behavior" Psychological Review, 94, 3-15
- >
- >I guess they aren't laypersons, but they aren't PCT persons either. They
- >would agree with PCT slogan number one.
-
- But would they understand it?
-
- Could you give a quick summary of the point of their article (which I
- remember reading and finding irrelevant -- though I always have hope
- in my soul).
-
- >I would have thought belief to be the essence of control. Belief, to me, is
- >a short word for "perception of the current state of whatever is being
- >controlled for by this ECS."
-
- Well, I have a lot more confidence in my perception than that; what you
- described is what I would call "knowledge". I think of a belief as a
- potential perception -- like "the moon is made of green cheese" -- which
- may or may not be subject to test. In the control model, I would identify
- beliefs with reference signals -- not perceptions. Beliefs are typically
- experienced as imaginations -- the reference signal played right back
- up as the perceptual signal. We probably develop these "belief references"
- because the imaginations they produce satisfy other, higher level references;
- the belief in god, for example, probabaly makes the believer feel good
- because it contributes to the perception of their "self" as something
- special. So beliefs can be helpful -- but they can also lead to conflict
- (since beliefs often require, as a matter of principle, that they not be
- revised). This kind of belief (as many pain in the ass athiests
- like myself are wont to point out) is placing a real bug in the hierarchy.
- Of course, it is no bug if you can manage to stay away from situations
- which "push" on the conflict; situations where the person with the
- bug feels "out of control".
-
- Best regards
-
- Rick
-
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