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- Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 16:38:00 GMT
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- From: Henry James Bicycles Inc <0005096370@MCIMAIL.COM>
- Subject: Language, Interactionism
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- [From Hank Folson (921110)]
-
- (penni sibun 921109.1630)
-
- >however, whether pct has a handle on the brain is
- >strictly a matter of faith at this point.
-
- Penni, my understanding and accepting the concepts and claims of PCT for me
- requires trying to apply them to my world to see if PCT really does work for
- me, and so is more likely to be true (to me). My interest is in applications
- of PCT to life in general. (My perception is that PCT is about life in
- general.) It is working for me so far....
-
- One generally agreed consequence of PCT for believers is that only through
- force can people make other people do or believe anything. This is because
- PCT says everyone is an independent control system. I can't sell you on PCT
- or make you give up your existing belief in interactionism. The only way I
- can achieve that sort of result is to over time supply your control system
- with inputs that you can relate to which will gradually build up until your
- internal comparison engine decides it likes the new inputs better than the
- old established ones. A decision to change will be made only if the new
- inputs lead you to have better success in controlling your perceptions than
- the old ones do. If PCT can't pass that test, the rules of PCT say you will
- never accept PCT no matter how long or how much information on PCT you
- absorb. This is because one of the premises of PCT is that control systems
- continue to do only what works for them in controlling their perceptions. A
- corollary is that if what the control system is doing stops working or is
- not working, the system will try at random variations on what has been
- working, and if that doesn't fix things, it will "reorganize" and try
- something new, again at random. It is only at this final stage that PCT
- might get anywhere inside your world.
-
- If you reread Dag Forssell's (921108) post, you may see that Kuhn noticed
- this aspect of life, as it applies to accepting new theories, but he did not
- know why it happened. Dag and I are explaining why, in PCT terms that we
- have learned from others. Just some more background for you.
-
- >i, on the other hand, would rather approach language from the point of
- >view of interactionism.
-
- I am ignorant of interactionism and what it is all about. Okay, so I haven't
- been reading your posts in detail. That is because I am not controlling to
- learn a lot about linguistics. PCT says that if you are not interested in
- something (controlling for it, in PCT terms) you will not observe it, or it
- will go in one ear and out the other (to use my mother's term, as she often
- does with me).
-
- I am controlling both to learn how to apply PCT and also to minimize the
- time spent doing it. The following 7 questions are my attempt to apply PCT
- to a real world situation of interest to us both. The questions are in line
- with my earlier statements of my ideas about how PCT works, and how new
- ideas evolve in living control systems.
-
- 1. Will you give me a couple of sentences long grossly oversimplified
- outline of interactionism?
-
- 2. Who developed interactionism?
-
- 3. About when did they develop it?
-
- 4. What did (s)he believe in before (s)he came up with interactionism?
-
- 5. What did his/her old belief lack that interactionism offered?
-
- 6. How well has interactionism worked for those who use it?
-
- 7. Has any independent research backed up interactionism's claims?
-
- If you try to answer these questions about interactionism, I will answer
- them about PCT.
-
- Hank Folson
- Henry James Bicycles, Inc. 704 Elvira Ave, Redondo Beach, CA 90277
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