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- From: 0005096370@MCIMAIL.COM (Henry James Bicycles Inc)
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- Subject: Language
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- Date: 9 Nov 92 14:54:00 GMT
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- [From Hank Folson (921109)]
-
- (Bill Powers (921107.0800)):
-
- >...linguists, I get a sense of something missing. PCT itself is about how a
- >brain works...
-
- If PCT is correct, language is just one of the tools we use for controlling
- our perceptions. If language suddenly ceased to help us to control our
- perceptions, we would not continue to use it. I don't think linguists see
- language in such a cold-hearted way.
-
- What I feel is missing in the linguistic posts is a linking of the
- linguistic theories and examples to the nature of control systems. For
- instance a recent post quite logically explained HOW languages can change
- over time. But there was no mention of WHY in terms of PCT. My guess in PCT
- terms is that a living control system will not control for zero change in
- words and their pronunciation unless the changes interfere with controlling
- actions. Thus language details can drift any which way as long as the
- changes occur slowly enough that they are not disruptive.
-
- >a lot of propositions by linguists seem to me to be concerned with WHAT is
- >done, or proposing ways to use the brain's facilities to achieve an
- >equivalent effect, as in checking off lists of statements.
-
- What else can they do? Linguists do not have PCT as a recognized and
- accepted tool for understanding how the human mind is structured and works.
- As a result, they have to make do with what they know. It is as if the mind
- is a "Black Box" that they have no access to. All their understanding must
- come from observing only the language output and not the machinery that
- generates the language.
-
- My feeling is that to understand language, rather than starting from the
- spoken word and working backwards, it will be easier to start from how the
- human mind functions and work forward using PCT. This will be very difficult
- for linguists to get into, if linguists have a systems concept of language
- as an entity that evolves and has a life of its own.
-
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