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- From: mjbrown@lonestar.utsa.edu (Marc J. Brown)
- Subject: Re: Phenomena egos??
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- Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 05:02:34 GMT
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- In article <1dhp99INNqn5@gap.caltech.edu> keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes:
-
- >Well, commercial people write applications and games and stuff that can
- >be easily ported to other machines. Remember that the Amiga is not the
- >most prolific machine in the world. In the stores here in the US, one
- >cannot even purchase Amiga software (of course, there are a few Amiga
- >shops, but they are few and far between).
-
- That's the problem with those computers (IBM, at least)... there are such
- severe incompatibilities (thanks to the fact that all IBMs are kludges),
- people MUST still work around them to get the job done... that on top
- of their overall poor coding makes it to where you NEED your 486 with
- umpteen-megs of ram and hd-space to get something going. This is a trend
- I'm happy to see that Amiga has avoided as best as possible.
-
- >Todays
- >machines are fast enough (unless you're still using a 68000) to handle
- >a little code sloppiness. Portability is more important, now.
-
- The Amiga has probably the best downward-compatibility of any computer...
- so I see little need for code-sloppiness. Eurodemos are an extreme case;
- they are like CDs that you can collect for free, if you have the right
- CD-player.
-
- >Well, this is not surprising, seeing as how you go around screaming that
- >American [insert various things here] suck, etc. I mean, if someone
- >were trying to degrade me, I sure as hell wouldn't want to be a member
- >of their little group.
-
- Some people may have an attitude problem, but I say most people are "human"
- enough to not act in this manner :).
-
- >Well, this can be debated in .advocacy. The Amiga was surely the best
- >when it was introduced, but now,...
-
- It's still the best, but lacks software... eh, gimme my emulator :).
-
- >Unix machine? That's right, there's not much point. Everything is
- >written in C, to be portable, and is compiled on the appropriate machine.
-
- Yeah. Therefore, demos are less practical for these machines. You may
- argue that they're useless wastes of time... but that, obviously, is
- the dead-end argument that "a good thing is really a bad thing."
-
- >the configuration is the same. But alas, you demos will soon become
- >a thing of the past.
-
- Downward-compatibility can keep that from happening...
-
- >Each time the hardware upgrades, you have to
- >write entire new demos.
-
- Yes. Of course, by then your demo is also outgraded in quality, as surely
- many demos have come out that are far better. And even if this is not the
- case, you CAN always just modify (patch) your demo to work on all formats
- (something I rarely see, because the demos are already just too old.)
-
- >going to be programming your A500? I mean, not that the A500 is a bad
- >machine, but in today's market, it just isn't top-of-the-line, frankly.
-
- No, that's the A1200 (IMHO, "top-of-the-line" only applies to what is
- generally affordable).
-
- >Once you realize that portability and not size and speed optimization
- >is the emphasis, you will see why no one really bothers to write
- >demos anymore.
-
- I think you've taken on a corrupt viewpoint of the situation. People do
- write demos. It is a very fun hobby, and the results are distributable,
- and there can even be very positive results of your efforts. What if I
- said "Jeez... CDs sure are a waste of time... can't play 'em on my LD-
- player." ...?
-
- >Again, what is the use writing such a thing (other
- >than to practice your machine code on a single machine) when it will
- >be useless in but a few years?
-
- I have listed some reasons already..lesse... Hobby, fun, recognition,
- friendship, possible financially-related results, experience...
-
- >But don't come screaming in here when you find that your demos aren't
- >compatible with the new chip set or another new hardware feature.
-
- Actually, the only people who scream are the ones who don't have an A500
- with Fatter Agnus :).
-
- >I don't mean to sound harsh here, but I think demos are a thing of the
- >past. They are behind the times.
-
- Many people... even IBM-owners (who are getting their first taste of
- demos), would strongly disagree. Demos keep up with the times, if
- anything.
-
- >because the clever people here in the US seem to be doing more
- >productive and useful programming.
-
- With personal interest specifically in mind. That's not an attitude I'd
- like associated with me, personally :). BTW, do you think I'm European?
- Sounds like it...
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