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- From: srp@cgl.ucsf.edu (Scott R. Presnell)
- Newsgroups: alt.supermodels,soc.women,alt.feminism,soc.men
- Subject: Re: Self Appreciation (was: Re: Elle MacPherson causes rape?)
- Message-ID: <srp.721517909@cgl.ucsf.edu>
- Date: 11 Nov 92 21:38:29 GMT
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- teri@sdd.hp.com (Teri Tracey) writes:
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- >**Men (or anyone) who have never experienced the type of societal pressures
- >that many women do, usually **don't understand** what it's like to be a
- >woman and to be bombarded by Madison Avenue's images of the ideal woman.**
- >You really *don't* have any idea, although you *think* you do.
-
- That's really a pretty condicending, elitist attitude.
-
- I'm not saying the problem isn't real, I think it is somewhat valid. My
- point here is that there are hunkster men in lots of magazines too - I
- notice them - I look at them - and then I look at myself and there is a
- substantial difference - moreover I hear and see women make comments and
- cast glances indicating they soemtimes think about men in a corresponding
- fashion, and sure, I want to look like the hunks *some*...
-
- ...but I don't let it define who I am (or am not) and I don't go around
- telling people that they "cannot understand" what it's like not living up
- to a model's image. Give me a break.
-
- Besides, you don't have to read Vogue - I don't.
-
- >i hope your message is not for us to "stop whining, if you just tried harder,
- >you'd become CEO/earn more money/feel better about yourself." No, I'll
- >just go back to my room that my parents filled with stuffed animals rather
- >than erector sets, do my home ec homework, iron my mini skirt and polish
- >my heels that impede my ability to even walk, and play with my Barbie that
- >reinforces my belief that "math is hard."
-
- Are you trying to tell me that little boys don't have a favorite stuffed
- aninal? I did - and I know other boy's who did too.
-
- Some of the most attractive women to me were those that took metal shop and
- auto shop with me in HS. I enjoyed working with them. We solved problems
- together. From me at least, people *gain* respect in a gender independent
- fashion.
-
- --
-
- - Scott Presnell (srp@cgl.ucsf.edu)
-