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- From: payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne)
- Subject: Re: Entry level salaries (was: Re: Elle MacPherson causes rape?)
- Message-ID: <1992Nov10.190242.26581@netcom.com>
- Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
- References: <1992Nov7.213707.15211@fid.morgan.com> <9NOV199210165558@mary.fordham.edu> <1992Nov9.200044.29801@panix.com>
- Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 19:02:42 GMT
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- In article <1992Nov9.200044.29801@panix.com> gcf@panix.com (Gordon Fitch) writes:
- >sethb@fid.morgan.com (Seth Breidbart) writes...
- >| >More recently, I've seen statistics that when men and women have the
- >| >same level of education and experience, they earn about the same. The
- >| >only reference I have is that in the most recent salary survey taken
- >| >by the MAA that I've seen (probably a year or two old), women with new
- >| >PhD's in math earned more, on average, than men with new PhD's in math.
- >
- >nissim@mary.fordham.edu (Leonard J. Nissim) writes:
- >| Here are the *new* statistics (from the November 1992 issue of "Notices of
- >| the American Mathematical Society"):
- >| 9-month academic salaries of people with new Ph.D.'s in mathematics:
- >| (`new' means granted during the 1991/92 academic year)
- >| Median salary for men----$34,000 (interquartile range--31,000 to 36,000)
- >| Median salary for women--$34,900 (interquartile range--33,000 to 37,100)
- >| Note that women earn over $1.02 for each $1 earned per man.
- >|
- >| >And anybody who claims that only men can be sexist is a reincarnation
- >| >of Ed Nilges.
- >
- >"Experience" and "education" actually denote dimensions of
- >status in the hierarchies typical of bourgeois institutions.
-
- As things go, I would think of one with a doctorate as more
- than just middle class.
-
- >Consequently, to note that persons equally advanced in these
- >dimensions are equally compensated, regardless of gender,
- >seems vacuously tautological.
-
- These are published figures, actual salaries, not logical arguments
- on what salaries -should- be. Where is the tautology?
-
- > The interesting question is
- >how and whether status is achieved, which is what differs
- >per gender, not how well it is compensated, which evidently
- >does not.
-
- But that was not the question addressed by the post. If you wish
- to ask a different question, do so.
-
- >When Ed comes back he'll go into the reasons for your not
- >observing this on your own.
-
- ???
-
- >
- > )*( Gordon Fitch )*( gcf@panix.com )*(
- >( 1238 Blg. Grn. Sta., NY NY 10274 * 718.273.5556 )
-
- Rich
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- payner@netcom.com
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