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- From: Bill.Carlson@p0.f18.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Bill Carlson)
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- Subject: Commentary On Yochanan's Good-News 4/5
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- Date: 6 Nov 92 19:33:07 GMT
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- does this fit all the accounts, but also show Judas keeping the
- very basic requirements of the Pesach as in Jer.Chall.57b (& so
- statement by Hillel while the Temple stood), the 'sop'
- containing a piece of the Pesach Lamb and Matsah with Bitter-
- herbs. This would also cause less surprise when he left the
- Sedar at this point [See:Jn13:29 commentary].
- This also brings to mind 'having a taste of righteousness...'.
- Also it would be before Judas partook of the Passover meal
- proper, and the Communion, (which makes better theological
- sense), and fits all the Good-News accounts in this regard,
- (including Luke's account I believe. [See: Lk22:23,21-22,24
- Commentary]). [Tanach on betrayal Ps.41:9] Matsah=unleaven
- bread -[Ex.12:17-20].
- JN13:27 Note the order that I believe the statements of this verse, and
- Mt26:25, occured (in the MNV Harmony). If in this order, it
- would indicate yet another reason that the talmidim wouldn't
- have reacted to Judas' response, as Judas in Mt26:25, would be
- answering the statement from Yeshua in Jn13:27.
- 'That thou doest, do quickly', is interesting in that Judas
- when leaving the Seder would be faced with a decision, -to wait
- until the members of the Sanhedrin finished their Seder or, -to
- go 'quickly' to them, which would have caused them to hurry and
- finish their Seder to assemble to arrest Him. Had he not gone
- early, the time-table would have been thrown off, and Yeshua
- would have been arrested later, which could have resulted in
- His not being crucified at the time of the Evening Sacrifice,
- etc.. So, Yeshua's statement shows not only having knowledge
- of the betrayal, but of all elements in the necessary timing of
- the betrayal to fulfill Prophecy, knowing before-hand in the
- Spirit.
- JN13:29 The provision and preparation of the needful food, and of all
- that was needful for the feast was allowed on the 15th Nisan
- expressly in the Mishnah. This would have been especially so
- when the 1st day of the feast was followed by a Shabbat. -{Life
- & Times/Eders. Book5:10,508} The Temple-gates were opened at
- midnight to prepare for the offering of the Chagigah, or
- festive sacrifice, and the remainder of which was was
- afterwards eaten at a festive meal.-[Note: Yochanan/John 18:28
- (not the Pesach meal)]. The poor who gathered around the
- Temple might then seek to obtain the help of the charitable.
- JN13:30 And it was {became(?)} night, seems to be not only descriptive
- of the time that it was, but possibly as being early in the
- Seder. Yochanan was telling us that it had JUST become, or
- just entered into night, (or the sun had not long ago set),
- which at the time that Judas left would also have been the
- case.
- JN13:31 (@ SHULAN ORECH, THE PESACH-SUPPER/MEAL)
- JN13:35 {Aboth 5:19}
- JN14:9 RABBINIC: [On Is.9:6; R. Ibn Ezra:] ...There are some
- interpreters who say that 'Wonderful, Everlasting Father' are
- Names of G-d and only 'Prince of Peace' is the Name of the
- Child. But according to my view the interpretation is right
- (which says): all are the Names of the Child.
- JN14:16 {Aboth 4:11}
- JN15:16 {Aboth 1:6}
- JN16:2 {Sanhedrin 9:6}
- JN18:1 {Yoma 5:6; Meilah 3:3; Middoth 3:2}
- JN18:13 {Kerithoth 1:7}
- JN18:18 {Tamid 1:1}
- JN19:28 {Tamid 3:4}
- JN19:29 {Kelim 9:4; Negaim 14:6; Parah 11:7-9}
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