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- From: joshua@coombs.anu.edu.au (Joshua Geller)
- Newsgroups: alt.magick
- Subject: Re: My probs with FAQ
- Date: 5 Nov 92 17:16:17 GMT
- Organization: Australian National University
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- ttk@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (the troglodyte killer) writes:
-
- >[quoting me]:
-
- >>hmmm...much of crowley's stuff is pretty traditional G.'.D.'. teachings
-
- > No it's not. The GD material was only one source from which
- >he threw together his quilt of philosophies. He didn't even
- >advance far enough in the organization to get access to most of
- >the material.
-
- (a) this is completely untrue, before mathers (and crowley acting under
- mathersinstruction) destroyed the G.'.D.'., he had received the highest
- initiations that were being given at that time(5 = 6). (b) however would
- you know, we just went through a whole thing wherein you had admitted that
- you hadn't read any crowley?
-
- > The opposite in that AMORC teaches betterment of self and
- >betterment of mankind, while Crowley taught the exploitation of
- >occult knowledge to further the desires of those who have no
- >interest in self-enlightenment or the welfare of humankind
- >(himself for example).
-
- how would you know, you have admitted tht you are unfamiliar with the man's
- life and work?
- >
- > I have posted my sources, and I believe them to be sound. I
- >have no problem admitting the truth.
-
- that's all very nice. why don't you about post something regarding which
- you have personal knowledge?
- >
- >>lessee. suppose we are discussing physics, and you are asked if you have
- >>read any isaac newton (who, by the way, had at least as many unendearing
- >>personal characteristics as uncle al). and you reply: 'I have read some
- >>hostile and journalistic books about him, and I have heard what people (who
- >>advocate truth and are in a position to know) have to say about the guy.
- >>From this information, I have decided that [sic] not to study this man's
- >>philosophy'.
- >>would I or would I not be justified in thinking you six kinds of idiot?
-
- > If I decided not to study physics, you'd be justified, but I
- >have no idea what Newton's philosophies were like. I suspect you
- >don't either. I did learn newtonian physics (kinematics et al) as
- >a freshman, of course. Kinematics has very little to do with
- >philosophy.
- >
- 'philosophy' is here being used in the old sense, inclusive of
- 'natural philosophy', that is, science. what I was saying (and I
- guess I was being too subtle for you) was that the rejection of
- someone's work on any basis other than personal knowledge of that
- person's work is very, very stupid. newton was just an example.
-
- josh
-