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- From: kadie@cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie)
- Newsgroups: alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk
- Subject: [comp.org.eff.talk] Re: Query: Can Universities limit network access &/or 'spy` on users
- Message-ID: <BxLyrD.InE@cs.uiuc.edu>
- Date: 12 Nov 92 14:54:48 GMT
- Followup-To: alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk,comp.org.eff.talk
- Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
- Lines: 61
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- [A repost - Carl]
-
- From: kbarger@cellar.org (Kyle Barger)
- Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk
- Subject: Re: Query: Can Universities limit network access &/or 'spy` on users
- Message-ID: <4so4TB5w164w@cellar.org>
- Date: 12 Nov 92 00:35:02 GMT
-
- michaelb@cse.fau.edu (Michael Rogero Brown) writes:
-
- > Basically the situation is this: We have a department on campus called
- > "Academic Computer Center" which is in charge of the universities Vax. This
- > Vax is the gateway on campus to BitNet and the Internet. However, student
- > accounts on the machine cannot access networks. Ie, 'ftp', 'telnet', 'rlogin
- > 'rsh', and Internet email are denied to these accounts. If you get a `sponse
- > my department (Comp Sci & Eng) we use Unix workstations and do not restrict
- > access to networking. Also the student chapter of the ACM has been running
- > a BBS that gives access to some networking stuff and Usenet access. This was
- > done because ACC was not providing it.
-
- No doubt about it, that's tacky. ESPECIALLY the e-mail piece of it. In my
- mind, it's like saying, "well, we have a library here with a lot of books in
- it. But you can't check 'em out unless it's for a class. So, guess what,
- if you want to read a book about past presidential campaigns and you're not
- enrolled in a course in political science, you can't check the book out."
- Is it legal? yes. Enforcable? yes. But it's also not the kind of thing
- that promotes a lot of learning. Just my $.02.
-
- > The reason I had heard for ACC not giving networking access was that it
- > would put too much strain on the Vax, despite the fact that all the other
- > departmen with machines (like mine) are using the vax for the network
- > gateway.
-
- No doubt there would be a lot of strain on the VAX if everything was
- actually done on it. This part of the argument I can buy; there is a
- difference between using the machine as a network gateway and actually doing
- the work on it.
-
- > What infuriates me is HOW WOULD THEY KNOW HOW PEOPLE ARE USING THIS STUFF?
- > The only why I see that they would know is if they are spying on student
- > activties, ie reading their mail to see if its serious or not, etc. Frankly
- > this is totally unethical, but is it illegal? I would think users would have
- > some right to privacy in their accounts from the sysadms spying on them.
-
- Well, that depends. I'm no lawyer, but here's my understanding. They are
- not allowed to eavesdrop if you have a "reasonable expectation of privacy".
- (What's reasonable? I dunno. Go ask a lawyer.) If, however, they REMOVE
- your reasonable expectation, by saying, "We may monitor you if we feel like
- it", then they have that right because they own the system. In a nutshell,
- it depends on what policies are established at your institution.
-
- Also, it is at least possible that they do not want to have to make
- decisions about policing use of net access. So they have punted by deciding
- to make sure the issue doesn't come up.
-
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- Kyle Barger "Beauty, alas, is not relevant to Usenet."
- kbarger@cellar.org --Brendan Kehoe, _Zen and the Art of the Internet_
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- Carl Kadie -- kadie@cs.uiuc.edu -- University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
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