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- From: barnhart@ddsw1.mcs.com (Mr. Aaron Barnhart)
- Subject: Re: [news.sysadmin, et al.] Re: a.b.p.e. distribution (was, Re: Does USENET condone CHILD PORNOGRAPHY?)
- Message-ID: <BxJ9Ho.4r1@ddsw1.mcs.com>
- Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 03:53:47 GMT
- References: <BxGvsL.Mzt@cs.uiuc.edu>
- Organization: Evanston, Illinois, U.S.A.
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- :[A repost - Carl]
- :
- :I must be bored, following up my own posts, but apparently I was
- :mistaken. The reason actually given by the higher-ups at the UW
- :for removing a.b.p.e. was:
- :
- :The picture groups take up waaaayyy too much disk space; we can't
- :afford them. We will, therefore, kill the entire a.b.p. hierarchy.
- :
- :And they did.
- :
- :Now, I suspect that reasons 1 and 2 as given in my previous post
- :are what really drove this decision, but maybe not. Hard to believe
- :that they couldn't just have put a pretty quick expire time on the
- :a.b.p. groups and let it go, but I guess they didn't want to.
- :
- :Apologies if I misled anyone through my ignorance.
- :
- :Josh
-
- Well now, I'm not sure ignorance is yours to keep, Josh. How long's
- it been since most of our readers here have checked the bandwidth
- specs on the a.b.p. groups?
-
- In a word, it's unbefuckinleevable. Saul had his thousands, but
- Long Dong Silver had his tens of thousands. Lookit these three
- month old figures from UUNET:
-
- No. of $ Cost % of Cumulative
- Rank Kbytes Articles per Site Total % of Total Group (Articles/contributor)
- 1 35253.4 817 93.03 7.7% 7.7% alt.binaries.pictures.erotica (4.8)
- 2 16878.4 412 44.54 3.7% 11.4% alt.binaries.pictures.misc (3.8)
- 3 6049.4 2855 15.96 1.3% 12.7% talk.politics.misc (4.3)
- 4 6044.8 167 15.95 1.3% 14.0% alt.binaries.pictures.tasteless (4.5)
-
- Some periods I have seen a.b.p.e. as high as 57 megabytes. 8 percent
- of Usenet sloshing along one little waterway!
-
- Quite apart from the 1st Amendment/academic computing policy issues,
- I think people should be aware of the overgrown size of these groups,
- because then claims like UW's, while not airtight, are certainly
- defensible and definitely understandable.
-
- And ignorance doesn't stop there. For instance, I have no idea whether
- that "Cost per Site" is in the grand tradition of mainframe funny money,
- or whether it at least hints at the actual cost these megabinarygroups
- are bringing upon sites. And what about the redundancy of newsfeeds?
- When UUNET reports 35 megs of bandwidth in two weeks for a group, is\
- that just a fraction of the total gross received for that group by
- each site?
-
- The Usenet FAQs are very good at answering a lot of questions, but
- certain technical questions aren't addressed -- just the ones that
- might shed a little new light on this heated subject.
-
- Aaron
-
-