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- Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 23:47:26 -0500
- From: Paul M Mcelwee <pm3w+@andrew.cmu.edu>
- Subject: Re: On meaning and Ornament (
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- A few things,
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- Ray Chung writes:
- >global. Think of universal motifs as verbs and adjectives, the images as
- >nouns. Incidentally, I suggest that from now on any discussion of "symbol"
- >be limited to representations of real-world things (the flower), while
- >"form" be used for abstract shapes (the wave or the spiral). It's a
-
- I agree, there is a distinction between form and symbol. True
- architecture orchestrates both to create meaningful and beautiful
- structures.
-
- >shared symbols), I think there are certain symbols and forms that are
- >already universally shared AND understood. Across the world and without
- >any regard to history, cultures have developed ornamental systems which
- >commonly make use of the spiral, the wave, and the flower, among others.
- >They each speak of energy, related to growth or movement, and they each can
- >be understood internally, without relation to the community. It may take
-
- --Add to this list the human form. Paul Tesar (not very popular, but
- worth looking up) recently lectured here at CMU. He discussed how
- people subconciously seek out human forms in abstract shapes. The
- example he gave which I found most striking was how people found human
- (and animal) forms in Rorshach (sp?) inkblot tests over 90 percent of
- the time. The origin of "facade" is "face" etc. etc. Examine Gaudi's
- use of human forms in Casa Batallo. or the Carytids in the Erecthion. I
- would like to experiment sometime with the abstraction of nude figure
- drawings (and sculptures) to generate architectural motifs. Any ideas?
- Also..
- >the use of ornament, for it not only can speak, but it can speak with
- >emotion, something structural details cannot do (unless you believe that
- >people can see by a carefully constructed joint that the architect thought
- >long and hard about it, and so they appreciate the joint for the amount of
- >work involved. Still, in this case, the range of emotions is limited.)
-
- A valid point, yet I would keep in mind the ideas of Ruskin and the
- arts and crafts movement. In 'Stones of Venice' Ruskin describes detail
- in terms of time spent and craft. When an occupant sees craft and
- quality in ornament (as opposed to tack-on siding, etc.) he is comforted
- in knowing that the space he is in was carefully and thoughtfully
- developed. Craft is focusing on the 'means' rather than the 'ends'. I
- agree, however that craft cannot really stand alone to communicate
- meaning outside of itself (although there's something to be said for
- this as well..)
-
- More to come..
-
- -PAUL
-