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- From: smith@sctc.com (Rick Smith)
- Subject: Re: On meaning and Ornament
- Message-ID: <1992Nov5.220232.27351@sctc.com>
- Organization: SCTC
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- Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 22:02:32 GMT
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- Paul M Mcelwee <pm3w+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
-
- > Like damn near anything else in today's society, architecture has
- >largely come under the control of the forces of global capitalism.
- >"Modern" in architecture came to be associated with industry and hence
- >efficiency ("economy" and "purity" were two design qualities that Le
- >Corbusier recognized as being important in the next century). To make a
- >long story short, architecture reflects the values of the contemporary
- >age: Capitalism.
-
- >-- It would seem then that there is much less money to be made by
- >carving ornate Corinthian capitals then in creating 5000 s.f. of flex
- >office space...
-
- Most of the works I've seen that discuss the history of the modern
- style indicate that the plainness was intended as an anti-capitalist
- statement, and was adopted by capitalists for their building simply
- because it became "fashionable." Certainly the earliest constructions
- in the new, spare style were government supported projects in Europe.
-
- >.. so in this sense I would have to agree that these financial and
- >technological barriers make ornamentation difficult, but there are
- >other, more profound reasons for the destruction of
- >ornamentation--although these are also the results of capitalism.
-
- I don't see any evidence to associate the death of ornament with its
- cost, nor with its relevance to capitalism as a concept. I've heard
- anecdotes to indicate that the high cost of traditional ornament today
- is because most practitioners left the business as the new, plain
- style began to dominate the building industry. Given the change in
- prevailing styles, the movement of workers away from the construction
- of ornament and towards other trades would be independent of the
- underlying economic system: in a socialist system the government would
- have directed their movement, in a capitalist system the marketplace
- would do the directing.
-
- > In any case, I agree that in spite of (or maybye in acccordance
- >with?) modern media, a universal basis of symbols must be found.
-
- Back to architecture. Why must there be a universal basis of symbols?
- I admit that we're moving towards it due to the effects of global
- media, but I think this actually increases the value and significance
- of community and ethnic symbols, particularly since they are
- incorporated into buildings that exist in a community.
-
- Rick.
- smith@sctc.com arden hills, minnesota
-