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- From: mkfeil@bcrki9.bnr.ca (Max Feil)
- Subject: Radio interference - 1 more case
- Message-ID: <1992Oct11.172238.22913@bmerh85.bnr.ca>
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- Organization: Bell-Northern Research
- References: <1992Oct8.145951.9896@newstand.syr.edu> <1992Oct11.164602.22624@bmerh85.bnr.ca>
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- Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 17:22:38 GMT
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- In the past while I've learned alot about radio interference and how radios
- work, so I was intrigued when I read this month's Radio Spectrum article in
- RCM (November 92). Someone wrote in saying they were having a problem where
- their gold stickered channel 60 transmitter was interfering with someone's
- non-narrow band channel 26 receiver. At first glance this does not fit into
- the categories of image, 2IM or 3IM interference. The radios are not 23
- or 45.5 channels apart, and there is no third transmitter operating. At about
- this same time it hit me that this situation was almost identical to a crash
- I had in 1989 where somebody on channel 50 interfered with my Futaba Attack
- rx on channel 16 when I flew too close to their transmitter (this was
- confirmed afterwards with a ground test). This is just too much of a
- coincidence! In both cases the tx's were 34 channels apart, and in both cases
- the lower channel got interfered with. Back in 1989 I knew that there must be
- some explanation, but just put it off to a "bad combination of radios" and
- resolved never to fly again with this guy on channel 50, and never to fly too
- close to somebody else's antenna.
-
- I started thinking about it, and realized that since the lower channel is
- getting the interference that this sounds like an image-related problem. I
- did the calculations and found that the receiver's local oscillator frequency
- in this situation is 225 kHz away from the interfering signal. Twice this is
- 450 kHz, uncomfortably close to 455 kHz!
-
- What I believe is happening in this case is this: The first stage mixer in
- the rx is getting a signal 225 kHz below its local oscillator frequency. The
- mixer does its job (multiplication) and creates the 225 kHz difference
- frequency, but then distortion creates a harmonic at 450 kHz which gets into
- the 455kHz filter. The reason that only the lower frequency is affected is
- that most, if not all, RC receivers use "high side injection" so the local
- oscillator frequency of the lower channel is brought into play with the
- higher channel.
-
- This brings up the point that even if your receiver is able to reject
- unwanted intermodulation products in normal circumstances, it may not be able
- to do so when the signal(s) creating the unwanted products become very
- strong, such as what happened in my case when I flew too close to somebody
- standing at the opposite end of the flight line.
-
- In the "Interference Problems for R/C Flyers" article I posted earlier, this
- gives a whole new dimension to the problem I listed as problem number 5.
-
- Any comments?
- Max
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