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- Subject: Re: Tires : Slicks vs. Treaded: Help Please
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- References: <bassek.718451041@vipunen.hut.fi>,<9210082253.AA08091@wotke.vicor.com>
- Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 16:53:05 GMT
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- In article <9210082253.AA08091@wotke.vicor.com>, danapple@vicor.com writes:
- >
- >Note:
- >I know nothing about tires. I know nothing about friction. I know
- >nothing about desks. I'm just this dude with some free time and an
- >imagination. This whole message might be filled with untruth. It is
- >not guaranteed. Take with a bunch of salt, but don't flame. Just
- >correct me if I'm wrong.
- >
- >> bassek@lesti.hut.fi (Basse Kankkonen) writes:
- >> In <BvpsB1.Gp6@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cjp53999@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Cory James Padfi
- >> eld) writes:
- >>
- >> It ocurred to me that the formula of friction is F=u*m*g
- >> (u=constant of friction,m=mass,g=acc. 9.81m/s^2)
- >> This means that the traction is not depending on the area.
- >> BUT the constant u is depending on the temperature, and a tire with less
- >> area heats up faster and it will decrease the lifetime of the tire and the
- >> grip of course.
- >> (Thats why cars don't use bicycle wheels!!!)
- >
- >True, but tire "grip" isn't just friction.
- >
- >(I'm reaching here...)
- >
- >"Grip" is also caused by the tire surface conforming to the road
- >surface at a macroscopic level. A race tire will hold stones in the
- >rubber. All the way around the circumference, even where the
- >component of *g* holding the stone onto the tire is 0. Friction does
- >not account for this. The stone should fall back onto the ground if
- >only friction was occuring.
- >
- >There is a big difference between this surface conformation and
- >friction, I think. When you slide your hand along the top of your
- >desk, you'd have a hard time pushing it. But push on the side of the
- >desk, and all of a sudden you can apply enough force to push the desk.
- >This is not friction.
- >
- >The tire conforms such that it can push on the sides of the
- >irregularities in the pavement.
- >
- >I've heard that "soft" tires are better in rain than "hard" tires. I
- >believe this is because the *u* you mention decreases drastically, but
- >the force exerted due to conformation remains high. Those of you who
- >could move your desks with your hand against the top should now try
- >spilling water on it and trying again.
- >
- >There certainly may be other factors coming into play that I know
- >nothing about.
- >
- >> Basse
- >
- >Daniel I. Applebaum | danapple@vicor.com | 1986 Celica Supra "NVR DNF"
-
- As an aside, you did indeed hit on a point with high performance rubber.
-
- Generally high-performance tires use softer rubber compounds which wear
- out far more quickly in order to increase 'G' ratings on cornering.
-
- One of the sad truths; the more you pay for a tire, the faster it will wear
- out :)
-
- Alex
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