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- From: danapple@vicor.com
- Newsgroups: rec.autos.tech
- Subject: Re: Tires : Slicks vs. Treaded: Help Please
- Message-ID: <9210082253.AA08091@wotke.vicor.com>
- Date: 8 Oct 92 22:53:17 GMT
- References: <bassek.718451041@vipunen.hut.fi>
- Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU
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- Note:
- I know nothing about tires. I know nothing about friction. I know
- nothing about desks. I'm just this dude with some free time and an
- imagination. This whole message might be filled with untruth. It is
- not guaranteed. Take with a bunch of salt, but don't flame. Just
- correct me if I'm wrong.
-
- > bassek@lesti.hut.fi (Basse Kankkonen) writes:
- > In <BvpsB1.Gp6@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cjp53999@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Cory James Padfi
- > eld) writes:
- >
- > It ocurred to me that the formula of friction is F=u*m*g
- > (u=constant of friction,m=mass,g=acc. 9.81m/s^2)
- > This means that the traction is not depending on the area.
- > BUT the constant u is depending on the temperature, and a tire with less
- > area heats up faster and it will decrease the lifetime of the tire and the
- > grip of course.
- > (Thats why cars don't use bicycle wheels!!!)
-
- True, but tire "grip" isn't just friction.
-
- (I'm reaching here...)
-
- "Grip" is also caused by the tire surface conforming to the road
- surface at a macroscopic level. A race tire will hold stones in the
- rubber. All the way around the circumference, even where the
- component of *g* holding the stone onto the tire is 0. Friction does
- not account for this. The stone should fall back onto the ground if
- only friction was occuring.
-
- There is a big difference between this surface conformation and
- friction, I think. When you slide your hand along the top of your
- desk, you'd have a hard time pushing it. But push on the side of the
- desk, and all of a sudden you can apply enough force to push the desk.
- This is not friction.
-
- The tire conforms such that it can push on the sides of the
- irregularities in the pavement.
-
- I've heard that "soft" tires are better in rain than "hard" tires. I
- believe this is because the *u* you mention decreases drastically, but
- the force exerted due to conformation remains high. Those of you who
- could move your desks with your hand against the top should now try
- spilling water on it and trying again.
-
- There certainly may be other factors coming into play that I know
- nothing about.
-
- > Basse
-
- Daniel I. Applebaum | danapple@vicor.com | 1986 Celica Supra "NVR DNF"
-