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- From: rulon@ibms4.scri.fsu.edu (Phil Rulon)
- Newsgroups: rec.autos.tech
- Subject: Re: Tires : Slicks vs. Treaded
- Message-ID: <11037@sun13.scri.fsu.edu>
- Date: 7 Oct 92 15:54:57 GMT
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- >white@watsci.uwaterloo.ca (Brad White) writes:
-
- >>>My friend and I are having a debate. Consider that it is a clear and sunny
- >>>day. Which tire would give you more traction? A slick or a treaded tire?
- >>>He is arguing that a treaded (!!) tire has more effective surface area on the
-
- [...]
-
- bassek@lesti.hut.fi (Basse Kankkonen) responds:
-
- >It ocurred to me that the formula of friction is F=u*m*g
- >(u=constant of friction,m=mass,g=acc. 9.81m/s^2)
- >This means that the traction is not depending on the area.
-
- This was exactly the argument that Firestone gave Mark Donahue in the mid '60s.
- Donahue rejected it, demanded 2 in. wider tires, took 2-3 sec. off of his lap
- times, and won the Trans-Am championship. (read his book "The Unfair Advantage")
-
- What you're missing is the fact that tires grip through two effects, one is
- dry friction the other is adhesion. The formula you've written is the
- classical (linear) dry friction equation. The linear formula describes the
- dry friction component of tire grip fairly well. The adhesion component is
- more acurately described as a gluing effect and is _very_ non-linear
- in N (m*g in you're formula). It is, however, roughly linear in A (contact patch
- area) The constant u in the above formula is, in fact, not at all constant
- but a complicated function of temerature (which you mentioned), viscosity (of
- the compound), and a host of variables related to the chemistry of the compound
- and the road surface.
-
- This is why tires with soft compound will grip better than dimensionally
- identical hard compound tires. The softer the compound, the more
- significant the gluing effects are. There is, of course, a corresponding
- increase in rolling resistance with a soft compound tire as well as wear rate
- considerations.
-
- Tire development is far from an exact engineering practice. Trial and error still play a major role in the field.
-
- Personally, I like to wear them out (at high speed).
-
- Phil Rulon rulon@mailer.scri.fsu.edu
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