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- From: POWERS_W%FLC@VAXF.COLORADO.EDU (William T. Powers)
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- Subject: Modeling reorganization
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- Date: 16 Oct 92 18:58:58 GMT
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- [From Bill Powers (921016.0930)]
-
- Oded Maler (921016) --
-
- I like it. We develop a verbal means of protecting ourselves from
- criticism or resistance in bumping our way among people, and use it
- automatically when we bump into anything, or cause any problem. I've
- sometimes thought that "pardon me" is used as another way of saying
- "get out of my way."
-
- What kind of experiment could you do to test your proposal that the
- "sorry" loop is lower in the hierarchy than the conscious one?
-
- Any more proposals out there? How about the S-R explanation?
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- Greg Williams (921016) --
-
- >... the criteria for starting reorganization due to errors in
- >(some? all?) innate critical variables are subject to alteration by
- >reorganization triggered by sufficient error in acquired (within a
- >single lifetime) reference levels -- which can be thought of as
- >acquired critical variables.
-
- Do I understand this correctly? You appear to be saying that a learned
- system can alter not just the states of the organism that I call
- critical variables (through indirect effects of its actions), but the
- TARGET VALUES (criteria) toward which those critical variables are
- controlled and that define zero critical error. So unless you're
- junking my proposed reorganizing system, you're adding lines in the
- diagram that come from the output of a learned reorganizing system and
- go to the reference inputs of my proposed system. Is that what you
- mean?
-
- I know you're trying to get the house finished and do all the other
- things that would keep three ordinary people busy. When things settle
- down, perhaps you can get more specific about the model you're
- proposing. I don't really want to go on with this until there's a
- model to test. What you consider to be data depends on the model
- you're using.
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- Best,
-
- Bill P.
-