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- Subject: Re: Observations
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- From: adams@spss.com (Steve Adams)
- Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 15:35:32 GMT
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- References: <BtK044.IG4@fmsrl7.srl.ford.com> <1992Aug31.144116.12258@advtech.uswest.com>
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- stevens@eatdust (John Stevens) writes:
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- >In article <1992Sep2.205322.9187@coopsol.com> gordons@coopsol.com (Gordon Storga) writes:
- >>The government recognizes rights. It doesn't grant them.
- >
- >I'm AMAZED that you know so little about this. Please go read the
- >constitution.
-
- The Constitution limits the powers of government. It specifies exactly
- what the government may do. With the help of the courts and ignorance of
- the masses, the goverment has expanded its powers far beyond what was
- inteded by the founders.
-
- The Bill of Rights addressed the fears of some people that if basic rights
- weren't listed, they wouldn't be protected. Just to make sure that the
- government wasn't going to read the first 8 as a fixed, maximum list, the
- 9th and 10th Amendments were added.
-
- Because people are convinced that the ONLY rights available are those
- listed in the Constitution, they think backwards. Exactly what was feared
- by the authors who didn't include a list of rights for fear that it would be
- taken as a finite list. The correct sentence, in my opinion should be:
-
- The Government doesn't grant rights, it enforces them. And all rights
- not SPECIFICALLY ceded to the government are retained by the people.
-
- Which of course means that Griswold (the basic privacy decision from which Roe
- springs) didn't grant some 'new' right, it simply enforced the right of the
- citizens NOT to have the government interfere in something that was a private
- decision.
-
- Since the people have not ceded the right to privacy to the government
- (read the search and seizure & self-incrimination rights amendments), the
- government is severely limited in the restrictions it can place on us.
-
- The limitations to privacy are generall things that would be illegal if
- done in public, also. Beating your spouse or child, incest, etc. Many
- people think the government still goes to far...sodomy laws, marijuana use,
- prostitution, gambling...
-
- -Steve
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