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- From: mcmillan@vf.jsc.nasa.gov
- Newsgroups: talk.abortion
- Subject: Re: The christian perspective...?
- Message-ID: <1992Sep14.225518.1@vf.jsc.nasa.gov>
- Date: 15 Sep 1992 04:55:18 GMT
- References: <1992Sep10.150225.1@vf.jsc.nasa.gov> <1992Sep10.221038.8158@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> <1992Sep11.222608.1@vf.jsc.nasa.gov> <d2wnh!=.ray@netcom.com>
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- In article <d2wnh!=.ray@netcom.com>, ray@netcom.com (Ray Fischer) writes:
- > mcmillan@vf.jsc.nasa.gov writes ...
- >> gjh@galen.med.Virginia.EDU (Galen J. Hekhuis) writes:
- >>> mcmillan@vf.jsc.nasa.gov writes:
- >>> } I backed it up all the way to two cells--two distinctly human
- >>> }cells that in just 9 short months will be ...
- >>>
- >>> Why stop there? Why not back it up before then? Why not back it up
- >>> to the lustful gleams?
- >>>
- >>Get serious.
- >
- > What makes you think he or I are being any less serious than are you?
- > You make up some arbitrary point for the beginning of humanity then
- > expect everyone else to accept without question that you decision is
- > correct?
- You will not be able to find any serious scientist who thinks that another
- human being exists before the moment that human being is conceived. That's not
- an arbitrary point, Ray, that's simple biology.
-
- I gave my reasons for what *I* believe. You incorrectly read into it that I
- expected everyone elso to accept it. This is a discussion...don't get so
- uptight when someone disagrees with your belief that killing babies is ok.
- >
- >>> }Then I decided that abortion is wrong.
- >>>
- >>> Good for you. You did not, however, explain why it should be illegal.
- >>>
- >>If it wasn't obvious from what I said, it should be illegal because it is
- >>killing (by torture) an innocent human being who has no choice in the matter.
- >
- > Several more blatant and unsupported assertions from the Gospel of Stokes.
- >
- Are you getting nasty because I disagree with the Gospel of Ray?
- > It isn't torture (in part, because torture implies pain)
- Provide your proof that there is no pain. Make sure you're right because, if
- you're wrong, you're torturing a lot of babies to death.
- > It isn't innocent
- An unborn baby who didn't have anything to do with being there isn't innocent?!?
- .
- > It isn't a human being.
- A molecule of water is still water.
-
- > It cannot make a choice.
- Neither can a baby born in July 1992. Do you want to kill them too?
-
- >
- > Now then, I don't doubt you disagree with these statements. If you're
- > going to say so, please keep in mind that you should try something more
- > convincing than your own Edicts For Humanity.
- >
- >>Yes it should be made illegal. Yes I am pro-choice--for the baby. Let it
- >>(via nature) decide if it is going to live or die. The one person in this
- >>world it should not have to fear is its mother.
- >
- > Well then, since Nature is to be the Ultimate Arbiter of Human Endeavour,
- > perhaps we should all eschew clothes, cars, houses, computers, and Bibles
- > and go back to a hunter/gatherer existance? After all, all of the above
- > are clearly contrary to the wishes of Nature or else they would have been
- > supplied for us.
- >
- They were. I've got them, and I bet you do too. Of course, it took time to
- acquire them. Good things take time, Ray, even the unborn.
-
- > --
- > Ray Fischer
- > ray@netcom.com
- --
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