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- From: mcmillan@vf.jsc.nasa.gov
- Newsgroups: talk.abortion
- Subject: Re: The christian perspective...?clo
- Message-ID: <1992Sep14.223450.1@vf.jsc.nasa.gov>
- Date: 15 Sep 1992 04:34:50 GMT
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- In article <01wnh_-.ray@netcom.com>, ray@netcom.com (Ray Fischer) writes:
- > mcmillan@vf.jsc.nasa.gov writes ...
- >>Although I'm not an expert in this, as I'm sure you're not also, I believe
- > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^
- >>you're wrong about the unborn not feeling pain. If it can feel then it can
- >>feel pain, I presume. Ever touch a bump on your pregnant wife's stomach and
- > ^^^^^^^
- >>then have it move in response to your touch? I have--the child felt me. I've
- >>talked in detail with my sister-in-law about the unborn. She's an expert-an
- >>OBGyn, has worked on hundreds (or more) of pregnant women, delivered hundreds
- >>(or more) babies. She says they can feel pain. That's her business. I believe
- > ^^^^^^^
- >>her.
- >
- > First off, your opinion, while interesting, is hardly going to persuade
- > many women to undergo the difficulties of pregnancy and birth unwillingly.
- > I'll also note that some 15% of the population believes Elvis is still
- > alive and many believe the world is flat. Their evidence is just about
- > as good as yours.
- >
- Okay, so you've chosen not to believe an expert...are you one?
-
- > Second, we're not talking about babies. Ever felt the belly of a 12 week
- > pregnant woman? Nothing much there, eh? Late term abortions are only done
- > in rare and necessary circumstances. Sure babies feel pain. But a newborn
- > baby is rather different from a 3 month fetus.
- >
- Sure I've felt the belly of a 12 week pregnant woman. There's a lot there: a
- baby. The same baby that's there until he/she is called a toddler.
-
- >>> 5) Can you see how the pro-choice position lets you enjoy your beliefs,
- >>> while allowing others to enjoy theirs? (Unless of course yours involves
- >>> making decisions for others against their will.)
- >>>
- >>If you were walking around and saw someone beating somebody a lot more
- >>helpless than they were, wouldn't you feel it was your duty to help (or
- >>would you rather not get involved)?
- >>
- >>If you were walking on a sidewalk and saw someone drowning in a backyard pool,
- >>but there was a "No Tresspassing" sign on the grass, wouldn't you break that
- >>law to go render aid?
- >
- > Well gee, most people in such circumstances are able to indicate that they
- > want help. (Kind of like a pregnant woman asking for an abortion, isn't it?)
- > But a 12 week fetus has never indicated any objection to an abortion.
- >
- > How about that?
- >
- OK, so you won't stop to help a person who's been already knocked unconcious,
- or who has just gone under the surface. You say you won't help a person unless
- they ask for help. OK, just keep on walking.
- > --
- > Ray Fischer
- > ray@netcom.com
- --
-
- Stokes McMillan - Flight Evaluation Office (VF3) NASA JSC
- MCMILLAN@vf.jsc.nasa.gov
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