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- From: bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ron Bense)
- Newsgroups: talk.abortion
- Subject: Re: Roe v. Wade and abortion
- Message-ID: <25028@oasys.dt.navy.mil>
- Date: 14 Sep 92 20:55:53 GMT
- References: <1992Sep12.225124.20051@watson.ibm.com> <88924@netnews.upenn.edu>
- Reply-To: bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ronald Bense)
- Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD
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- In talk.abortion, kwelch@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Kevin Welch) writes:
- >>Ron
-
- >>Mighty big of you to unilaterally decide what goes on in t.a. I take
- >>person and human being to mean one and the same thing, unless one starts
- >>to use them in a fashion to describe things as one of the two for mostly
- >>emotional reasons, with little validity.
-
- >A human being can be a person, but a person is not necessarily a human being.
- >Person is term describing an entity with certain traits. It just so happens
- >to be that certain human beings (moral sense) happen to be persons.
-
- I'm glad to see you coming round. In effect, you're saying that not
- all human beings are persons, and all persons are not human beings.
- In general discussions, I acquiesce to what I perceive to be the general
- mood on the subject, and that human beings and persons mean the same
- thing. I do hold that just because it looks human, talks/walks like
- a human, and may even think, that it not necessarily is a person. Take
- Ted Bundy or Jeffery Dahlmer for instance, they are more animal than
- human (regarding civilized behavior). Take an intelligent chimp or gorilla,
- they appear more human than animal. Which would you rather have in your
- house?
-
- >>You think so. You've yet to show any reason for this except that there
- >>is a good chance that they will meet the criteria given time. Baby Theresa
- >>never made it to this stage, and was merely human, not really a human
- >>being, although a being that was human. Semantic play.
-
- >Not correct. Once a human sperm and a human egg unite to form a zygote, that
- >zygote is classified as a human being. Simple biology, not semantic play.
-
- Depending on how it is classified, etc, literally, yes. In the context
- of the previous discussion, no. Hence the semantic play.
-
- Ron
-
- Potassium Benzoate included as a preserver.
-