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- From: sa114984@longs.lance.colostate.edu (Steven Arnold)
- Newsgroups: talk.abortion
- Subject: Re: Roe v. Wade and abortion (was Re: Another good reason to vote for B
- Message-ID: <Sep14.175120.69767@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>
- Date: 14 Sep 92 17:51:20 GMT
- References: <1992Sep12.223712.29505@watson.ibm.com>
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- In article <1992Sep12.223712.29505@watson.ibm.com>, margoli@watson.ibm.com (Larry Margolis) writes:
- |> In <Sep12.080031.56284@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>
- |> sa114984@longs.lance.colostate.edu (Steven Arnold) writes:
- |> > In article <fzmnh9k.ray@netcom.com> ray@netcom.com (Ray Fischer) writes:
- |> > >
- |> > >Here is one difference between slavery and abortion. A slave is a walking,
- |> > >talking, thinking person that can actually say that it doesn't want to be
- |> > >a slave.
- |> >
- |> > In short: one is, in your arbitrary opinion, a human being sufficiently
- |> > like you to deserve a right to life, while the other (again in your arbitrary
- |> > opinion) is a human being not sufficiently like you to deserve a right to life.
- |>
- |> One is a human being; the other is not. (Using the normal meaning of the
- |> term "human being".)
-
- This is a factual error. Medically, a human being begins at conception
- and ends at death. If you require sources I will post a few. BTW, even informed
- pro-legal-abortionists on this net (like Gordon Stoga, and, I believe, E.
- Elizabeth Bartley) will acknowledge that we are dealing with a living human being
- from conception till birth. They just think that in some cases (Bartley) or in
- every case (Stoga), that the human being in question is not one of those with
- human rights.
-
- |> > Prove, if you will, that walking and talking and thinking are
- |> > prerequisistes to personhood.
- |>
- |> Why are you asking him to prove something he didn't claim? A fetus can't
- |> walk, can't talk, can't think (certainly not in the first two trimesters),
- |> and is not a person (ditto). There was no claim that the first three are
- |> prerequisites for the fourth.
-
- Fair enough. What, then, are the prerequisites for personhood, in your
- opinion? Explain.
-
- Steve
-