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- From: chrisl@stpaul.gov (Chris A Lyman)
- Subject: Re: Is it Christian values or chavinism?
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- Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 16:25:21 GMT
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- nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) writes:
- >> nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) writes:
- >>> mprc@troi.cc.rochester.edu (M. Price) writes:
- >>>> forgach@noao.edu (Suzanne Forgach) writes about Jesus:
-
- [--much deleted--]
-
- >>>>> Oh, yeah, He really crucified them.
-
- >>>> I am disgusted. I find this lighthearted treatment of the Savior's
- >>>> agony on the cross appalling and blasphemous. I demand an apology!
-
- >> You don't fool me for one second, M. Price. I wonder if anyone doesn't
- >> see you are being sarcastic.
-
- [--much deleted--]
-
- You know what; I tried reading Mr. Price's comments several ways: sincere,
- satirical, ironical, sacastic. His words worked extremely well regardless
- of how I read them.
-
- > Christianity is something I have done an enormous amount of reading
- > and thinking and discussing about.
-
- All for naught, as we shall soon see.
-
- > I know, for example, that crucifixion was a common method of execution
- > in Roman times. Right with Jesus there were crucified two thieves,
- > and to one of them he said he would be that day in paradise, but he
- > said no such thing to the other thief. Only someone who knows little
- > about Christianity thinks it glorifies crucifixion to the point that
- > joking about it is blasphemous.
-
- You might want to work a little harder on reviewing the Source Text for your
- little narrative. Like your story about Dr. Mildred Hanson, you've left a
- few things out.
-
- One thief said to Jesus something like, "If you're so great, than come down
- off of that cross." The other one said something like, "Remember me to your
- Father." It seems like the second thief had a completely different perspective
- about his impending demise, not to mention that of Jesus. Christ answered
- the second one, saying something like, "you will be with me in paradise."
-
- > People who believe in the main tenets of Christianity (which is something
- > quite different from people who call themselves Christians) do not use
- > the word blasphemy lightly. This is one of the main points of a post,
- > "J'ACCUSE JOAN CAMPBELL" that I will be making today.
-
- "J'accuse," as in the big headline story in the Paris newspaper about what
- the French army did to Captain Dreyfuss? This should be rich.
-
- > Some of them might very well take the comment about "white hot rages" to
- > be blasphemous, calling into question the divinity of Christ by the
- > implication that he was out of control. M. Price's failure to comment
- > on this really gives him away.
-
- Regardless of how I read Mr. Price's statement, I see nothing that he needs
- to apologize for. On the other hand, Ms. Forgach's comment was hateful and
- stupid. In other words, exactly what we've come to expect from her.
-
-
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- "I ain't man enuff to be a mudder!" -- Robin Williams as "Popeye"
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