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- From: bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ron Bense)
- Newsgroups: talk.abortion
- Subject: Nitwits anonymous: call for.
- Message-ID: <24999@oasys.dt.navy.mil>
- Date: 14 Sep 92 16:17:04 GMT
- References: <1992Sep10.151814.16918@csus.edu> <1992Sep10.233020.3086@csus.edu>
- Reply-To: bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ronald Bense)
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- In talk.abortion, chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney) writes:
- >In article <24861@oasys.dt.navy.mil> bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ronald Bense) wri
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- >Your religion may state that human sacrifice is okay, but it don't
- >mean that a non-sectarian society has to go by it.
-
- Take a look at what I really meant. As for non-sectarian, are you implying
- that we're a homogeneous society?
-
- >You mean you never understood how things could go AGAINST you as well
- >as for you, on this?
-
- Only in your warped view of things. If you abided by logic and reason,
- you wouldn't have a toe to stand on.
-
- >Gloria Feldt's religion, she says, actuates personhood one month after
- >birth. Does that mean she is being unfairly deprived of her practice,
- >in the United States?
-
- Is she? Is she being forced through law to recognize said child as having
- personhood? I don't think so, although she is prevented from tossing
- said child in a garbage dumpster, the same way that she would be prevented
- from abusing horses or dogs, although the punishments differ.
-
- >COME ON, RONALD BENSE - ANSWER THIS DIRECTLY.
-
- I did, which is more than I can say for your normal response.
-
- >>Would I be free to practice this religion in your world? You claim to
- >>be pro-freedom of religion, after all.
-
- >What about you?
-
- You can *personally* practice whatever you please, but you may not perpetuate
- onto another (meaning person, defined as born human being) things which
- are damaging to that other. That's where your limits are. If your religion
- preaches that you must go out and cut off hands for your god, then yes,
- you are not free to practice your religion. If your religion says you
- must kneel every day at high noon to the north pole, you may, provided
- you make arrangements not to do so in the middle of a street where you
- would be blocking lunchtime traffic. If your religion states you must
- kill yourself at 30, go for it.
-
- >>BTW, in case you claim that this is not the tenants of any religion,
- >>some have claimed that logic and science are no more than beliefs, and
- >>therefore a type of religion.
-
- >Some. Who, pray tell?
-
- I've forgotten, as I wasn't in that thread, but Ray Fisher was, and
- perhaps he could be kind enough to post that fellow's name. It would
- be a real shame if it was cinder, however, as I was hoping for someone
- with half a smidgen of credibility.
-
- >Well, Ronald Bense, why don't we leave the drug users alone, too?
-
- Why don't we? Beats the hell out of me, except it appears that it is
- the only way to get to the pushers, who are coercing naive children
- into a one-way life that has no choices after the initial mistake. Make
- it legal, and a government business, and you no longer have pushers,
- and the users won't bother anyone any more than alcoholics. We've already
- gone over this one.
-
- >If your reasoning were so correct, it would apply consistently. Seeing
- >as it doesn't apply anywhere near consistently, your attempts here to
- >crack a joke, aren't working.
-
- Show where it doesn't apply consistently. You have failed, miserably
- as usual, to show this.
-
- >A newborn's thoughts aren't know to anyone but intervention is fully
- >allowable.
-
- Intervention to stop it? (I know this is not what you meant, but I couldn't
- resist.) At least you're not talking to fetuses yet, that is a step
- up in some ways from Frau F.
-
- >Nothing in my .sig is hypocritical. Care to provide some proof besides
- >the weak bullshit you've decided to nag me with?
-
- That you fail to see it, or refuse to see it, makes it no less hypocritical,
- so keep up the good work, and keep reminding everone at the end of every
- post that here writes a true hypocrite who has no clue.
-
- >Yup. I would like nothing better than to see the Democratic party
- >change.
-
- Me either, they should drop their stupid let the murderers go stance.
- Ron
-
- .sigs are getting boring.
-