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- From: bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ron Bense)
- Newsgroups: talk.abortion
- Subject: Re: The christian perspective...?
- Message-ID: <24985@oasys.dt.navy.mil>
- Date: 14 Sep 92 13:38:49 GMT
- References: <1992Sep8.204903.13891@nntp.uoregon.edu> <1992Sep11.221625.1@vf.jsc.nasa.gov>
- Reply-To: bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ronald Bense)
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- In talk.abortion, mcmillan@vf.jsc.nasa.gov writes:
- >In article <24887@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ron Bense) write
-
- >I was an accident, too. The result of a very cold winter and of a great way
- >to keep warm, so my Mom says. Your Mom and Dad were probably glad you were
- >not aborted. I imagine they loved you some as you grew up. And I imagine you
- >would have been mighty unhappy *while* you were being aborted.
-
- I wouldn't have been anything while I was being aborted. I wouldn't
- have had the mental capabilities of being happy or sad. THose are higher
- emotions, I think. I might have been warm or cold, uncomfortable, or hungry
- (and probably that order too, as you get older and develop more).
-
- >Although I'm not an expert in this, as I'm sure you're not also, I believe
-
- I'm not. That's obvious, otherwise I would probably stick an MD somewhere,
- probably in my .sig. :)
-
- >you're wrong about the unborn not feeling pain. If it can feel then it can
- >feel pain, I presume. Ever touch a bump on your pregnant wife's stomach and
- >then have it move in response to your touch? I have--the child felt me. I've
-
- Don't have a wife, but I remember my mother when she had my little sister.
- I do remember that it took a long time after she told me I was going
- to have another brother/sister (they didn't know back then:) before
- there was any movement at all.
-
- >talked in detail with my sister-in-law about the unborn. She's an expert-an
- >OBGyn, has worked on hundreds (or more) of pregnant women, delivered hundreds
- >(or more) babies. She says they can feel pain. That's her business. I
- >believe her. Being able to formulate an opinion is not the criteria
- >for making it wrong to have your head ripped off.
-
- I'd believe her too. But notice that she seems to be talking about babies,
- or very late term fetuses, which are quite advanced, and usually not
- up for the abortion descision. Abortion generally takes place long before
- the nervous system has started to develop to the point that it even
- halfway resembles our nervous system, and that until that time, the
- most that can be said for it is that it has the brain of a squid, and
- that might be giving it more credit than it's due.
-
- >> 1) Do you realize that the fetus draws sustenance, minerals, water, etc
- >> from a woman and defecates into the woman, right?
-
- >Not sure about defecation...I thought the baby's waste products were passed
-
- Poor choice of words, but as I've indicated elsewhere, even this happens
- sometimes.
-
- >through the umbilical cord and taken care of by the mother's waste system.
- >But even if that's wrong, that's one of the many wonderful things about a
- >woman's body--they were designed to accomodate and nuture a growing baby.
- >They automatically intake more nutrients to account for it.
-
- They do? Or is this some conscious decision of the mother-to-be, and
- she must do this, or things like osteoporosis begins to occur?
-
- >If these women are so opposed to ever having children, then they should
- >consider being made sterile. This way they would never have to kill their
- >child by abortion.
-
- They might change their mind later, at the moment a child is not a responsible
- decision for them. See other post about opinion being a matter of timing,
- and that thoughts and wishes change.
-
- >If you were walking around and saw someone beating somebody a lot more
- >helpless than they were, wouldn't you feel it was your duty to help (or
- >would you rather not get involved)?
-
- Depends on whether they were fighting it or not. On a street, yes,m
- I would intervene, if I walked into a bedroom, no probably not. Some
- people are into that type of behavior, you know.
-
- >If you were walking on a sidewalk and saw someone drowning in a backyard pool,
- >but there was a "No Tresspassing" sign on the grass, wouldn't you break that
- >law to go render aid?
-
- That wouldn't be a law, except should the owner wish to enforce it.
- In this case, I don't believe it would matter, as even if they wished
- to enforce it, no court in their right mind would even consider it (although
- some of the recent decisions appear to have a court in their left mind:)
- So in this case, that wouldn't even apply, not that I normally pay attention
- to such signs, as I generally don't go romping accross other's property,
- it's called respecting other people's property.
-
- Ron
-
- Potassium Benzoate included as a preserver.
-