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- Subject: Re: FOCA: And I quote.....
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- Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 00:01:44 GMT
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- HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.) writes:
-
- > Ray, are you in favor then of triage for all? "It'll cost too much to save
- >this guy. Ditch him."
-
- Jimmy, are you under the mistaken impression that this does NOT happen
- in this country, many times a day?
-
- >This can happen when there are too many casualties to
- >treat (say after a battle, or a major urban disaster). Then the deciding factor
- >is usually time and medical resources. Time spent on saving 1 person could
- >cost several others their lives.
-
- Surprise, surprise Jimmy, it happens a LOT more often than that.
- Call up a hospital, tell them you need cancer treatment and have no
- way of paying. If you call a private hospital, I'd bet money that
- they'll refer you to a public hospital. If you call a public hospital,
- they'll most likely tell you that if your condition is not imminently
- life-threatening, you'll need to jump through a number of bureaucratic
- hoops before they can treat you, to get Medicaid or some other form
- of health coverage. If you tell them you don't want to apply for
- Meidcaid, be careful that the door doesn't hit you in the ass on
- your way out.
-
- In Miami, a Medicaid recipient waited over a year for breast
- cancer surgery. Last I heard, the surgery hadn't yet been
- performed.
-
- In Broward County, a woman WITH medical insurance who had been
- in a car accident lay in an ambulance for several hours before
- the ambulance company could find a hospital to take her. Why?
- Because she had a type of spinal injury that was "very prone
- to be litigated". None of the hospitals wanted a malpractice
- suit, so they simply refused to admit her.
-
- Have you ever seen a big fundraiser for someone who needs an
- organ transplant? Lots of these people _have_ medical insurance.
- Have you ever wondered why they're having fundraisers? Because
- many insurance companies consider most organ transplants to be
- "experimental" treatments, and therefore not covered. The
- transplant centers, in most cases, don't say "Oh, hey, we'll DO
- the transplant, you just pay us whenever you can." Nope, these
- operations are done on a cash-in-advance basis. When that matching
- organ becomes available, you'd better hope you have the cash.
-
- Now sure, there may be a few organizations that provide limited
- funds for cases like this. But I'm just absolutely disgusted
- by the cultural tunnel-vision that lets people say things like
- "No one dies in America because they can't afford medical
- treatement."
-
- > Somehow, I think this mind-set will meet with some resistance when you include
- >money in the criteria.
-
- It hasn't met a great deal of resistance among hospital administrators,
- where money is likely to be the ONLY criteria. Please find out a
- little more about the world before you make these ridiculous statements.
-
- >Shall we then dismantle MD Anderson hospital? Cancer
- >costs a LOT of money to treat, and its not even contagious. Somehow I think
- >Susan Garvin would not appreciate the idea.
-
- How long do patients stay there if they can't pay their bills?
- Who makes up the difference?
-
- > I know for a *fact* my Dad wouldn't. Or my aunt. Or my best friend.
-
- Did any of them have NO medical insurance when they needed treatment?
-
- >semper fi,
-
- >Jammer Jim Miller
-
- -rocker
-