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- From: smezias@wissel.GBA.NYU.EDU (Stephen J. Mezias)
- Newsgroups: talk.abortion
- Subject: Kellmeyer liar even in issues peripheral to Pro-LIE
- Message-ID: <29778@wissel.GBA.NYU.EDU>
- Date: 13 Sep 92 18:02:15 GMT
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- In article <BuFtHF.4FL@news.cso.uiuc.edu> slkg9733@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
- (Steven L. Kellmeyer) writes some interesting things about the Nazis.
- Too bad his credibility is so low that I can't believe anything he has
- to say. Also, even in this post, which is relatively neutral with
- respect to abortion, he states some points as fact that seem
- questionable. Deletia to get to these points:
-
- >>the southern Bavaria region, are the same folk who were the primary
- >>section of that favorite group the SS. I don't know about you, but anything
- >>that curtailed their influence, I would be in favor of.
- >
- >This is extraordinarily misleading.
-
- I have read several histories of the Nazi regime that posit the thesis
- that Hitler drew his early supporters and much of the elite of the SS
- from Bavaria. This is not necessarily inconsistent with Kellmeyer's
- point that there was much resistance to the Nazis there. However,
- Kellmeyer seem to deny that there is any truth in in the statement
- about Bavarian SS elite. Am I misunderstanding this?
-
- > The Catholic
- >Church was not as severely hurt by Nazi rule largely because it's
- >"capitol" was not in Germany. Protestant ministers and their flocks
- >were more likely to support Nazi rule, and be spared retribution, than
- >were Catholic priests and their congregations. Notable exceptions to
- >both general rules of thumb can be found, of course, but the statistics
- >on this are quite clear, as Childers and dozens before him have
- >demonstrated. The Italians tended to be much more lenient to all forms
- >of organized religion, including Jews, than were the Germans. Since
- >Italy is a predominantly Catholic country (as opposed to the Protestantism
- >of the Germans) one can easily argue that it was the civilizing influence
- >of Catholicism in Italy which prevented excesses similar to those of the
- >Germans. Your blanket statements overlook a wealth of caveats.
-
- What about all the recent evidence that Pope Pius knew about the
- Holocaust and stayed silent to protect the Church? Is Kellmeyer's
- claim that Mother Church was just spared by coincidence?
-
- >Today, France is at least as xenophobic as Germany (witness the popularity
- >of Le Pen and his ilk) and Poland and the CIS are having similar
- problems.
-
- Did the French skinheads start riots aimed at foreigners when I wasn't
- looking?
-
- >The demonstrations taking place in Germany can be matched one for one with
- >similar demonstrations in France - the simple fact is, this sort of demo
- >sells better on TV when it comes from a country with Germany's history than
- >it does when it comes from the land of the French revolution (which was the
- >most bloody revolution of the 18th century, and arguably the most intolerant
- >until the rise of Hitler).
-
- So the media is conspiring to keep the French riots secret because
- riots by former Nazi countries make better press?
-
- Give me a break.
-
- SJ
-