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- Newsgroups: talk.abortion
- Path: sparky!uunet!world!rjk
- From: rjk@world.std.com (robert j kolker)
- Subject: A little bit of calm thinking
- Message-ID: <BuFJpx.6wu@world.std.com>
- Summary: Question of humaness is socially decided
- Keywords: abortion,human,rights
- Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
- Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 20:03:31 GMT
- Lines: 50
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- I have read through talk.abortion and I have seen much heat and little light.
- The question of abortion rationally rests on two issues:
- 1. Are fetuses/zygotes/embryos/unborn_babies human *persons*.
- 2. If they are human persons do their rights have equal standing
- with those of their mother.
-
- Annent question 1. The assertion X's are human is *not* a fact, it is a
- definition. For example, if you asked the question - Are Negroes human
- persons, back in 1820, the overwhelming answer would have been NO. If you
- asked the same question two years after the War Between the States the
- answer would be YES. Contrast this to the following assertion: water
- freezes at 0 degreea centigrade. If this assertion is possed as a question
- the answer would be YES anytime. The first assertion is a definition, the
- second a fact.
-
- How do definitions come to be accepted in a society? A combination of
- muscle, indoctrination, education, and persuasion creates the consensus.
- This has very little to do with factual truth, and a great deal to do with
- plausibility and applied agit-prop.
-
- I now state as a fact: There is no consensus on the proposition that a
- f/z/e/ub is a human *person*. (The question of genetic humanity is a
- separate propostion. Of course a human embryo is genetically human. But is
- it a person?)
-
- Second, if an embryo were accepted as a human person, how would his/her
- rights compare to that of the mother?. If the mother's life were
- endangered by the child within, would it be permissable to kill the child
- to save the mother? I submit, that among those who believe an unborn child
- is a full fleged human person, the majority would still permit the killing
- of the unborn (at least a an early stage of development) to save the life
- of the mother. Even among these folks the mother life if more "equal" than
- that of the infant within.
-
- Most so-called pro abortion folks would still advocate effective birth
- control as prererable to abortion. Unfortunately, the anit-aborts do not
- reciprocate reasonably. Proof? Say RU-486 in their presense, then duck and
- cover. The vocal anti-aborts (I won't call them pro-life), or at least a
- substantial majority, would impose their cookoo notions of ensoulment,
- then invoke same to oppose the use of RU-486, because it is an
- abortifaceant. This troglodites beleive that once sperm and egg are
- unitited, a fully souled person exists. If they believe so, let them. They
- shouldn't have abortions or use RU-486. But what about the rest of us?
- These proto-Ayatolahs are not content to have an opinion, the must insert
- their beliefs into the moist orifices of everyone in reach.
-
- A pox and a plague on them.
-
- Conan the Libertarian
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