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- From: garvin+@cs.cmu.edu (Susan Garvin)
- Subject: Re: Attention!
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- Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 19:52:01 GMT
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- In article <1992Sep11.154132.1809@ncsu.edu> dsh@zeus.csc.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) writes:
- #In article <1992Sep11.123957.2004@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>
- #decay@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (dean.kaflowitz) writes:
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- ## You claim that if Gloria Feldt supports the Freedom of Choice
- ## Act, and because she bases her reasoning about abortion
- ## partly on religious views, she is trying to make her religion
- ## the law of the land. But the Freedom of Choice Act is not
- ## a religious law, nor is it based on religious law, and in
- ## fact, from what you quote her as saying about her religious
- ## beliefs, the Freedom of Choice Act runs counter to them.
- #
- #Fine, then let's apply your reasoning to the pro-life side.
- #A pro-lifer who bases their reasoning about abortion partly
- #on religious views and who supports the Human Life Amendment
- #is not attempting to make their personal religious views
- #the law of the land, according to Dean Kaflowitz. I'll
- #remember your reasoning the next Steve Novak or some other
- #rabid pro-abortionist spouts off about "religious fundies"
- #forcing their religious views on others. I'll remind them
- #that Dean Kaflowitz believes that these people are not
- #forcing their religious views on others.
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- You'll be lying if you "remind" people of this, but judging
- by past experience, lying bothers you not at all. Dean said
- something quite different than your bizarre interpretation
- of his words.
-
- I know that you desperately want to find an excuse other than
- anti-Semitism for your obsession with Ms. Feldt's quote, but
- you haven't shown one yet. Feel free to keep trying, though.
- It's as entertaining to watch you twist other people's words,
- misquote them, and lie about facts as it is to watch the
- official virus try to flame.
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- #Doug Holtsinger
- #
- # "My logic is based on ... a religious perspective which says
- # that personhood begins at birth (actually a month after birth if
- # we want to be precise)..."
- # -- Gloria Feldt,
- # chief executive, Planned Parenthood of Central and Northern Arizona
- #
- # "I see nothing extreme or reprehensible about this statement."
- # -- garvin+@cs.cmu.edu (Susan Garvin) <BtnDAw.Iwo.2@cs.cmu.edu#
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- -- cookc@rpi.edu (rocker)
- -- steven@jaynes.uswest.com (Steve Novak)
- -- smccabe@mn.ecn.purdue.edu (Sarah McCabe)
- -- lefty@apple.com (Lefty)
- -- keegan@pan.crd.ge.com (James G Keegan Jr) <1992Sep5.143800.4607
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- -- decay@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (dean.kaflowitz)
- --bard@cutter.ssd.loral.com (J H Woodyatt)
- "Neither do I" -- ray@netcom.com (Ray Fischer) <2ymn8gh.ray@netcom.com#
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- What is it about Judaism that bothers you so, Holtsinger?
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- Susan
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- From: lefty@apple.com (Lefty)
- Newsgroups: talk.abortion
- Subject: Doug Holsinger: Anti-Semite?
- Message-ID: <lefty-310892165951@lefty.apple.com#
- Date: 1 Sep 92 00:08:17 GMT
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- I've seen the following quote in Doug Holtsinger's signature in several
- messages, and I've grown more offended by it each time I've seen it.
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- In article <1992Aug30.232948.17241@ncsu.edu#, dsh@odin.ece.ncsu.edu (Doug
- Holtsinger) wrote:
- #
- # "My logic is based on ... a religious perspective which says
- # that personhood begins at birth (actually a month after birth if
- # we want to be precise)..."
- # -- Gloria Feldt,
- # chief executive, Planned Parenthood of Central and Northern Arizona
- #
- # "I see nothing extreme or reprehensible about this statement."
- # -- garvin+@cs.cmu.edu (Susan Garvin) <BtnDAw.Iwo.2@cs.cmu.edu#
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- Gloria Feldt is accurately summarizing, as I understand it, the Talmudic
- point of view regarding personhood. I see no evidence that, unlike you,
- Ms. Feldt is attempting to impose her point of view on anyone else. Do
- you have a specific problem with this, Mr. Holtsinger? Do you object to
- the beliefs or practices of the Jewish religion? What point are you
- attempting to make with this?
-
- Oh, and for the record, I see nothing extreme or reprehensible about this
- statement, either.
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- Lefty (lefty@apple.com)
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