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- From: chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney)
- Subject: Ronald Bense, idiot? (was Re: Steve chaney, hypocrite??? Naaahhh (Re: Questions about "consensus")
- Message-ID: <1992Sep10.233020.3086@csus.edu>
- Sender: news@csus.edu
- Organization: California State University Sacramento
- References: <1992Sep10.151814.16918@csus.edu> <24861@oasys.dt.navy.mil>
- Distribution: world
- Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 23:30:20 GMT
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- In article <24861@oasys.dt.navy.mil> bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ronald Bense) writes:
- >In talk.abortion, chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney) writes:
- >>I would like to know where the idea came from that laws are made
- >>simply because the majority decided something was wrong.
- >
- >>By the way, this is a trick question.
- >
- >I have a much better one....
- >
- >>|Pro-Contraception Pro-Freedom of Religion, Speech & Sexual Orientation |
- > ^^^^^^^^
- >My "religion" states that an abortion must happen if the pregnancy threatens
- >the life of the mother-to-be. It also requires an abortion in cases
- >where a new baby cannot be afforded or wanted, provided that in this
- >case the potential mother does not wish to carry this fetus to term.
-
- Your religion may state that human sacrifice is okay, but it don't
- mean that a non-sectarian society has to go by it.
-
- You mean you never understood how things could go AGAINST you as well
- as for you, on this?
-
- Gloria Feldt's religion, she says, actuates personhood one month after
- birth. Does that mean she is being unfairly deprived of her practice,
- in the United States?
-
- COME ON, RONALD BENSE - ANSWER THIS DIRECTLY.
-
- >Would I be free to practice this religion in your world? You claim to
- >be pro-freedom of religion, after all.
-
- What about you?
-
- >BTW, in case you claim that this is not the tenants of any religion,
- >some have claimed that logic and science are no more than beliefs, and
- >therefore a type of religion.
-
- Some. Who, pray tell?
-
- >>|Pro-Privacy Pro-Humanism Pro-Freedom of Choice Registered Democrat |
- >
- >Pro-privacy? Then leave me alone. Leave everyone alone. If you are really
- >pro-privacy, then you wouldn't be sticking your nose into others business,
- >even for the sake of that fetus, as the fetus' thoughts and feelings
- >wouldn't be known to you unless they are talking to you, which is the
- >only case you could claim intervention. Or are you moving up/down (???
- >he is incapable of moving up, and nothing is below him, hmmm) ahhh,
- >using Frau F's "I hear the fetus talking" stance now?
-
- Well, Ronald Bense, why don't we leave the drug users alone, too?
-
- If your reasoning were so correct, it would apply consistently. Seeing
- as it doesn't apply anywhere near consistently, your attempts here to
- crack a joke, aren't working.
-
- A newborn's thoughts aren't know to anyone but intervention is fully
- allowable.
-
- Nothing you've argued here, holds any ground, Ronald.
-
- >Let's forget the rest of the hypocritical nonsense you espouse in your
- >.sig. You stand for every thing these things are against, and the only
- >reason you'd be a registered democrat is in an attempt to undermine
- >the Democratic party.
-
- Nothing in my .sig is hypocritical. Care to provide some proof besides
- the weak bullshit you've decided to nag me with?
-
- Yup. I would like nothing better than to see the Democratic party
- change.
-
-
- =============================================================================
- >## "My logic is based on ... a religious perspective which says
- >## that personhood begins at birth (actually a month after birth if
- >## we want to be precise)..."
- >## -- Gloria Feldt,
- >## chief executive, Planned Parenthood of Central and Northern Arizona
-
- >## "I see nothing extreme or reprehensible about this statement."
- >## -- garvin+@cs.cmu.edu (Susan Garvin) <BtnDAw.Iwo.2@cs.cmu.edu>
- =============================================================================
- |Pro-Contraception Pro-Freedom of Religion, Speech & Sexual Orientation |
- |Pro-Privacy Pro-Humanism Pro-Freedom of Choice Registered Democrat |
- | Card-carrying member, NRLC |
- | Dedicated to achieving civil rights for the unborn |
- -----Steve Chaney: Founder, Borg Operating Space Systems, Revision 2.0-------
- The B.O.S.S. does not speak for CSUS.
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