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- From: gordons@coopsol.com (Gordon Storga)
- Subject: Re: Observations
- Message-ID: <1992Sep9.222733.3174@coopsol.com>
- Organization: Stay Awake Software
- References: <1992Sep1.165041.11734@advtech.uswest.com> <1992Sep1.204031.20902@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> <1992Sep3.152443.26511@advtech.uswest.com>
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- Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 22:27:33 GMT
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- <1992Sep3.152443.26511@advtech.uswest.com> stevens@eatdust (John Stevens) said:
- ><1992Sep1.204031.20902@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> knapp@spot.Colorado.EDU (David Knapp) writes:
- >><1992Sep1.165041.11734@advtech.uswest.com> stevens@eatdust (John Stevens) writes:
- >>><1992Aug31.211505.23998@watson.ibm.com> margoli@watson.ibm.com writes:
- >>>><1992Aug31.145104.12528@advtech.uswest.com> stevens@eatdust (John Stevens) writes:
- >>>The beliefs that would be legislated (and enforced on others) would be the
- >>>belief that abortion is not murder. In other words, it would enforce a
- >>>belief about when a child becomes a human being.
- >>>
- >>>The people that are being forced to have abortions now, are the fathers
- >>>who have no legal recourse to stop a woman from murdering their child.
- >>
- >>That is a highly rhetorical and simply incorrect response.
- >
- >It isn't an incorrect response if you admit (and you don't) that abortion
- >affects men. I've heard this before, always from people who seem to
- >think that a father is a second class parent.
-
- It's technically incorrect - men are not subject to pregnancy, and only a
- pregnancy is *aborted*.
-
- >>Men aren't forced to have abortions.
- >
- >Yes, they are. They cannot legally prevent it from occurring, so if they
- >don't want their baby aborted, but the mother does it anyway, the abortion
- >is forced on the man.
-
- You can't abort a baby. But besides this, the abortion in this case is
- performed without the man's consent. The abortion is not forced *on* the
- man.
-
- >It is extremely short sighted (almost blind) to say that only the person
- >who is physically involved is affected by an abortion. This is akin in
- >my mind to saying that only the woman is affected when her wedding ring
- >is stolen off of her finger. Both the wife AND the husband are ripped
- >off. The same with abortion.
-
- Ah, "affected by an abortion". Well, yes, a man can be affected by an
- abortion. But your original claim was that a man can be forced to have an
- abortion.
-
- >>They are currently at the mercy of their biological
- >>situation. Men do not have the power to give birth to a child.
- >
- >You slant this rather heavily by ignoring that fathers are the reason
- >mothers BECOME mothers. Without fathers, there would be no pregnancy,
- >therefore no need for an abortion, or an abortion debate.
-
- So are you recommending that we eliminate fertile males as a means of
- stopping abortion?
-
- >>The best you can hope for is to get used to the idea that you cannot have
- >>babies without the kindness of a woman. I'm sorry.
- >
- >The best I can hope for is that you will someday realize that no woman can
- >have babies without the kindness of a man.
-
- Uh oh. Boy are you in for it now.
-
-
- Gordon
- Pro-abortion, Pro-person, Pro-women's-rights and ex-boytoy of Susan, Muriel,
- Cathi, Nora, Jennifer, Sarah, Lynn, Diana (catwoman), and Diana (Sorceress),
- and married to a goddess among women, and proud of it all.
- --
- The opinions expressed are my own, and not the beliefs or opinions
- of whatever company you think I work for. So there, thhhbbbt!
- Message to Kodak: Freedom for Dan Bredy.
-