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- From: dsholtsi@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger)
- Subject: Re: Attention!
- Message-ID: <1992Sep10.220913.28880@ncsu.edu>
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- Reply-To: dsholtsi@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger)
- Organization: North Carolina State University
- References: <1992Sep10.183142.19906@ncsu.edu> <1992Sep10.194705.9100@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>
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- Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 22:09:13 GMT
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- In article <1992Sep10.194705.9100@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>
- decay@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (dean.kaflowitz) writes:
-
- >dsholtsi@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) writes:
-
- >> You claimed that Gloria Feldt is not seeking to make her personal
- >> religious views the law of the land. Whether the FOCA is based
- >> upon on religious beliefs is not relevant to that claim.
-
- > Your remarks imply that the FOCA tails entirely with Ms Feldt's
- > religious views and is entirely based on religious principles.
-
- This statement is not correct. As I said before, whether the
- Freedom of Choice Act is based upon religious beliefs is irrelevant
- to your claim that Gloria Feldt is not attempting to make her
- personal religious views the law of the land. Ms. Feldt's views
- on abortion are based (in part) on a religious perspective,
- and if she does support the FOCA, then it would appear that
- she would be making her religious views the law of the land.
-
- > If it is not a religously-based piece of legislation, then whether
- > or not it tails with Ms Feldt's religious perspective is
- > irrelevant.
-
- No, whether or not the FOCA is based upon religious beliefs
- is irrelevant to your claim.
-
- > Furthermore, you only assume she supports the FOCA
- > without knowing the answer. Perhaps a reasonable assumption,
- > perhaps she has her own quarrels with it.
-
- I said that it seemed likely that Ms. Feldt would support the
- FOCA, as do most other pro-choicers, but I was hesitant to
- assume that she did support the FOCA.
-
- > The fact is that
- > you have no evidence whatsoever that she is trying to make her
- > personal religious views the law of the land, and are simply
- > indulging in Nyikos-style speculation.
-
- The fact is that you have no evidence that she is not trying
- to make her religious views the law of the land, and are simply
- indulging in Margolis-style speculation.
-
- > Certainly the quotes
- > provided do not indicate that she is seeking to have legislation
- > enacted that is based solely on her religious perspective. In
- > fact, once you had posted the full quotation, we find that she
- > brings more than just her religion to the view she espouses.
-
- Whether Ms. Feldt is seeking to have legislation enacted based
- solely on her religious perspective is not the issue. She has
- indicated that her beliefs about abortion are driven in part
- by a religious perspective, and that if she does support the
- FOCA, then she would be attempting to make her religious views
- the law of the land.
-
- >> I said that I don't know if she's attempting to make her religious
- >> beliefs into the law of the land, because I don't know whether or
- >> not she supports the Freedom of Choice Act. I think it would be
- >> extremely illogical for a pro-choicer such as Ms. Feldt to oppose
- >> the passage of the FOCA, but I'm hesitant to assume that she does
- >> support the FOCA.
-
- > Again, her support for the FOCA is irrelevant.
-
- No, her support for the FOCA based upon religious views would
- imply that your claim is incorrect.
-
- > I am glad you
- > admit that you don't know. I take it then that you are disagreeing
- > with Chahallney's reading of Ms Feldt's remarks. Good. That's
- > a healthy admission.
-
- I entered this thread for one reason: to address your claim
- that Ms. Feldt was not seeking to make her personal religious
- views the law of the land. I am pleased that you now furiously
- backpedalling from that claim by bringing up irrelevant issues.
-
- >> I seriously doubt that Gloria Feldt became a Planned Parenthood
- >> executive solely on the basis of her religious views towards
- >> abortion. But that's not even relevant to your original claim.
- >> Let's not stray off the topic, shall we?
-
- > Oh, I'll stray whither I please, thank you very much.
-
- Fine, but don't expect me to follow your meanderings.
-
-
- [.. rest of meanderings deleted ..]
- >Dean Kaflowitz
-
-
- Doug Holtsinger
-
- "My logic is based on ... a religious perspective which says
- that personhood begins at birth (actually a month after birth if
- we want to be precise)..."
- -- Gloria Feldt,
- chief executive, Planned Parenthood of Central and Northern Arizona
-
- "I see nothing extreme or reprehensible about this statement."
- -- garvin+@cs.cmu.edu (Susan Garvin) <BtnDAw.Iwo.2@cs.cmu.edu>
-