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- From: decay@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (dean.kaflowitz)
- Subject: Re: Attention!
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- Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 17:14:07 GMT
- Message-ID: <1992Sep10.171407.4378@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>
- References: <1992Sep10.151445.12033@ncsu.edu> <1992Sep10.160117.1298@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> <1992Sep10.163825.15920@ncsu.edu>
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- In article <1992Sep10.163825.15920@ncsu.edu> dsholtsi@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) writes:
- > In article <1992Sep10.160117.1298@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>
- > decay@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (dean.kaflowitz) writes:
- >
- > >dsholtsi@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) writes:
- >
- > >> decay@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (dean.kaflowitz) writes to Steve Chaney:
- >
- > >>> What the little feller fails to acknowledge is that Gloria
- > >>> Feldt may base her personal views on abortion on her religious
- > >>> perspective, but Gloria Feldt is not seeking to make her
- > >>> personal religious views the law of the land.
- >
- > >> ...
- > >>
- > >> Gloria Feldt I do not believe that the fetus, although it has
- > >> value, is entitled to personhood status or to any other
- > >> citizenship guarantee under the Constitution, and therefore due
- > >> process for the fetus is not a legal right but a legal wrong.
- > >> My logic is based on ... a religious perspective which says
- > >> that personhood begins at birth (actually a month after birth if
- > >> we want to be precise) and that the well-being of the woman must
- > >> prevail [and on] the ... information I have gained from looking
- > >> at actual fetal life and at women involved in pregnancies,
- > >> childbearing, miscarriages, and abortion....
- > >> * * *
- > >> ...
- >
- > > Thank you, Doug. Now show where what she says is somehow an
- > > attempt to make her religious beliefs a law.
- >
- > I don't know if she's attempting to make her religious beliefs
- > into the law of the land, because I don't know whether or not she
- > supports the Freedom of Choice Act. But I think it's likely that
- > she does support passage of the FOCA, as do most other pro-choicers.
-
- Huh? So are you trying to tell us that the FOCA is a religion-
- based piece of legislation? If not, then Ms Feldt's religious
- views are irrelevant. If yes, then I would myself oppose
- the establishment of a solely religious law.
-
- Also, I am glad you admit that you have no information about
- whether Ms Feldt is attempting to establish her religious
- beliefs as law. I rather doubt that she is.
-
-
- > > Also, note that the earlier quote of yours, now that you provide
- > > more of the quote, demonstrates nicely how you take quotes
- > > out of context and change their meaning.
- >
- > I think a person would have to be rather naive to assume that
- > Ms. Feldt's views towards abortion could be based solely on
- > religion, given that she's a Planned Parenthood executive.
-
- Uh huh. Then you close with your .sig, which has the out-of-
- context quote. Any reader can see where what you say and what
- you do differ, Doug. I'd call it cute, but it isn't. Hell, I
- am a very skeptical reader, and I bring my skepticism up to
- HIGH when I see something of yours, and yet I had interpreted
- Ms Feldt's comment differently based on the quote provided, and
- neglected to note that is was, as usual, out of context.
-
- Clearly, and counter to your deceptive claim, anyone reading the
- statement below could easily be deceived into thinking that
- Ms Feldt was saying her logic was based solely on a religious
- perspective.
-
- How do you manage to catch yourself red-handed like that?
-
- > Doug Holtsinger
- >
- > "My logic is based on ... a religious perspective which says
- > that personhood begins at birth (actually a month after birth if
- > we want to be precise)..."
- > -- Gloria Feldt,
- > chief executive, Planned Parenthood of Central and Northern Arizona
- >
- > "I see nothing extreme or reprehensible about this statement."
- > -- garvin+@cs.cmu.edu (Susan Garvin) <BtnDAw.Iwo.2@cs.cmu.edu>
-
- By the was, just add me to the list of those who see nothing
- reprehensible about Ms Feldt's statement.
-
- Dean Kaflowitz
-