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- From: garvin+@cs.cmu.edu (Susan Garvin)
- Subject: Re: Another gem -- this time from Peter Nyikos
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- Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 10:34:38 GMT
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- In article <nyikos.715893475@milo.math.scarolina.edu> nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) writes:
- #In <Bu70vG.Ax3.2@cs.cmu.edu> garvin+@cs.cmu.edu (Susan Garvin) writes:
- #[talk.religion.misc deleted from newsgroups]
- ##In article <1992Sep6.231834.17478@wdl.loral.com> bard@cutter.ssd.loral.com writes:
- ###In article <nyikos.715733663@milo.math.scarolina.edu>, nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) writes:
- #### ... But you see, I feel discriminated against
- #### by not having the possibility of being pregnant.
- ####
- #### "If men could be pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament"
- #### --Pro-abortion slogan
- #### "If men could have abortions, pregnancy would be a sacrament"
- #### --Peter Nyikos
- ###
- ###I think I'm seeing a case of uterus envy that defies belief. Someone
- ###pour cold water on me.
- #
- ##Okay. Here.
- #
- ##You mean, you *don't* feel discriminated against because you
- ##can't get pregnant? Gosh, I look at pregnant women and
- ##think to myself, "I sure wish I could be nauseated and
- ##have backaches and look forward to going through labor
- ##by and by." I thought everyone did.
- #
- #Ah, now we know who has been brainwashing poor bard@cutter (sorry, I forget
- #his name). She even offers to continue the treatment ("Okay. Here")
-
- That was cold water, Nyikos.
-
- #Not all women think the way Susan Garvin does. Here are the words
- #of Frederica Mathewes-Green, president of Feminists for Life of America:
- #
- # "A ... disparaging of pregnancy itself also has an unhealthy ring.
- #Harping on the discomforts of pregnancy treats woman as weak, incompetent;
- #yet we are uniquely equipped for this role and strong enough to do much
- #harder things than this. Every woman need not bear a child, but
- #every woman should feel proud kinship in the earthy, elemental beauty
- #of birth. To hold it in contempt is to reject our distinctive power,
- #our bodies, ourselves."
-
- It makes one wonder why FFL refers to pregnancy as a disability in
- their tract against euthanasia, doesn't it?
-
- There is, of course, no logic in the above quote. Recognizing
- the "discomforts" of pregnancy also recognizes the strength of
- the women who endure them.
-
- I was not holding pregnancy in contempt, by the way. I was
- noting that it is not the bed of roses that you believe.
- #{Satire, but with a grain of truth: Now do you see why I have such a
- #bad case of womb envy?}
-
-
- Right, Nyikos, it makes as much sense as envying soldiers because
- they get to wear such pretty uniforms while ignoring the dangers
- that they face.
-
- Susan
-
-