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- From: bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ron Bense)
- Newsgroups: talk.abortion
- Subject: Re: "only 3 doctors...perform third trimester abortions" is unsupported
- Message-ID: <24688@oasys.dt.navy.mil>
- Date: 8 Sep 92 13:56:17 GMT
- References: <1992Sep02.045611.18539@watson.ibm.com> <nyikos.715648972@milo.math.scarolina.edu>
- Reply-To: bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ronald Bense)
- Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD
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- In talk.abortion, nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) writes:
- >In <24537@oasys.dt.navy.mil> bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ron Bense) writes:
-
- >Sorry, I've been on talk.abortion only two months and this is the
- >first mention I've seen of Koop.
-
- Apology accepted. The reason it is not mentioned very often is because
- no one has anything bad to say about it, or they can't say anything
- bad about it except that they don't like/believe/etc the report. Pro-choicers
- aren't about to hang something that supports them out to dry because
- it was written by a pro-lifer. Actually, I don't know about others,
- but I applaud his honesty in reporting what he did, even though it went
- against his inner beliefs. He showed much integrity with that report.
-
- >> Thanks for admitting the hopeless stance you've adopted by
- >>admitting you're "outnumbered".
-
- >I'm referring to talk.abortion, most of whose members are from the
- >academic world, which is far more pro-choice than the populace in general.
-
- True, and you also miss the dig at humor. :( Oh well, I'll try not to
- be as obtuse next time. :) Some of us do try at times to inject a little
- humor, you know, otherwise this forum would really become a boring unbearable
- burden to read.
-
- >I know it's demeaning, I was being sarcastic. Like Dick Gregory, on
- >the cover of his book _Nigger_: "Mama, if you hear the word `nigger',
- >you'll know they're talking about my book."
-
- So I miss an occassional bit of sarcasm also. I got the rest, though.
- :)
-
- >>As for the parenthized portion of the statement, it is obvious that
- >>Kathi Mills' post just blinked in front of your eyes. (That was the one
- >>where she described in detail how the abortion she had was necessary,
- >>and why, and the ramifiacations if she hadn't had one.)
-
- >The parenthetical statement admitted no exceptions. Pregnancy, period,
- >has these effects. Should I have read between the lines somehow?
-
- >Or did you mean to write "even if" instead of "even though"? I'm
- >a mathematician, not a mind-reader.
-
- By Jove, he's got it! :) Not everything I write is literal. Unlike Loomis,
- I don't spend three weeks on one article before posting it, as I write
- from my personal thoughts. (They seems organized enough on this topic.:)
-
- >On the other hand, pro-choicers have been able to call lots less
- >sweeping pro-life claims lies, and make them stick.
-
- Pardon? Care to start listing them and having them shown false? (PRoviding
- of course that you don't list asinine things like after nine months
- in term, generally a baby is born, etc.)
-
- >>And you are the paragon of truth and honor.
-
- >>As you indicate here that I'm dishonest, a liar, and worse, please indicate
- >>where I've said anything dishonest, to at least prove one point in your
- >>implications.
-
- >I just did. Or am I lacking in integrity just because I was unable
- >to read your unwritten thoughts?
-
- Really? Just because your interpretation is one thing, and mine another,
- doesn't make it a lie, Peter. I don't think you'll be able to produce
- a lie, a mis-statement maybe, but not a lie, as that would involve knowingly
- giving falsehood.
-
- I do note, however that you take no offense to my implication....
-
- >> Not that anyone except your fellow pro-lifers believe
- >>you to begin with anyway, but just to indicate how hollow your integrity
- >>really is. Not only are you an ignorant misogynist oaf, but a malicious
- >>liar to boot. (Note, implications are as good as an outright lie, subtlety
- >>does not change the fact that a lie has been made.)
-
- >Whether you can make these charges stick or not, the fact is they
- >are unfounded.
-
- If I can make them stick, then they would not be unfounded, would they?
- Not to get overly malicious or anything, but you have spouted a rather
- one-sided argument, and have admittedly seen only one side's view. You
- have since then rejected everything that conflicts with this view, and
- although you personally might not be said to be a liar, you at least
- could be said to ignorant of some facts, which would be understandable
- and probably preferable to the action of being a liar. Until you start
- warping truth and facts in the way Holtsinger does, I'll retract the
- implication I made, and just consider you unknowledgable in this area,
- at least for the moment.
-
- >>You must sleep well at night.
-
- >If I don't, it won't be because of you.
-
- I hope not. My SO might be a bit peeved. :)
-
- Ron
-
- Potassium Benzoate included as a preserver.
-