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- From: bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ron Bense)
- Newsgroups: talk.abortion,alt.abortion.inequity
- Subject: Re: Germany Abortion Law and (was: Observations)
- Message-ID: <24685@oasys.dt.navy.mil>
- Date: 8 Sep 92 13:31:44 GMT
- References: <1992Sep1.203518.20259@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> <Bu35y4.98w@cs.psu.edu>
- Reply-To: bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ronald Bense)
- Followup-To: talk.abortion
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- In talk.abortion, beaver@castor.cs.psu.edu (Don Beaver) writes:
- >In article <24588@oasys.dt.navy.mil> bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ronald Bense) wri
- >tes:
- >>In talk.abortion, beaver@castor.cs.psu.edu (Don Beaver) writes:
-
- >>>Try Germany, for example. The zygote is a person at implantation,
- >>>legally defined as 14 days after conception, and is then entitled
- >>>to protection under the German constitution. The debate has been
- >>>over whether the mother has rights superior to the unborn child's,
- >>>not whether the zygote is a person or not.
-
- >>This statement is incorrect. The German law was changed about two months
- >>ago to reflect its new constituency.
-
- >Have you read the text of the new law? I'm not so sure it states
- >that the fetus is not a person; rather, it would be consistent
- >with the West German constitution to continue to regard the fetus
- >as a person, but now to say that the woman's rights supercede the fetus's.
-
- I have not read the text, only others interpretation of it, and the
- brou-ha-ha that has followed it. Whatever else it says, it basically
- allows a woman access to abortion, should she so desire. The religiously
- mired folk, who, if I happen to remember correctly were primarily from
- the southern Bavaria region, are the same folk who were the primary
- section of that favorite group the SS. I don't know about you, but anything
- that curtailed their influence, I would be in favor of.
-
- >In any case, this law is still the subject of intense debate,
- >and it is by no means beyond repeal. Kinder-Kirche-Kuche
- >(children-church-kitchen, for women) still runs strong, along with a
- >pervasive xenophobia. Have you seen any decisions handed down
-
- This goes hand in hand with the previously mentioned ideals and beliefs
- of that of so Catholic group. Ever wonder why the *only* organization
- not to be pillaged in WWII was the Catholic Church? I say separation
- of church and state is a definite ideal, and should be enforced to such
- an extent that someone who is ruled only by his religion be barred from
- any political office. (asbestos lined suit on:)
-
- >Germany also provides extensive, constitutionally-guaranteed support
- >for mothers (can you say, "bounty"?), as well as extremely female-oriented
- >custody laws, to discourage abortions and encourage ("Aryan") population
-
- Some of this I think is actually good, as I don't believe a mother should
- be forced into poverty because she had a child. ANother thing you don't
- mention is that Germany has a zero to negative growth rate, and because
- all economists appear to be short-sighted morons who believe in infinite
- growth, this worries governments who base their economic policies on
- this premise. They really should look into maintaining a zero-growth
- population and related economy. As for the Aryan stuff, that both worries
- me and appears to be justified, esp. in light of this weekend's violence.
-
- Ron
-
- Potassium Benzoate included as a preserver.
-