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- From: decay@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (dean.kaflowitz)
- Subject: Re: Nyikos Goes Under (WAS Re: THIRD TRIMESTER ABORTIONS)
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- Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 12:14:04 GMT
- Message-ID: <1992Sep8.121404.2817@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>
- References: <1992Sep04.162824.32187@watson.ibm.com> <nyikos.715883539@milo.math.scarolina.edu>
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- In article <nyikos.715883539@milo.math.scarolina.edu> nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) writes:
- > In <1992Sep04.162824.32187@watson.ibm.com> margoli@watson.ibm.com (Larry Margolis) writes:
- >
- > >(Note that you're responding to yourself here.) Dean wasn't referring
- > >to the anti-choicer's utopia presented in A Handmaid's Tale;
- >
- > As I recall, he was giving us all a tall tale about ultra-right-wing Christians
- > artificially inseminating women and forcing them to bear children.
- > Since I have never heard of an ultra-right-wing Christian doing the
- > first, and the second is just the spin he puts on laws against
- > abortionists, I figured the Handmaid's Tale might be where his fantasy
- > came from about what Christians are like.
-
- Sorry, sonny, but again your fantasies are far-fetched. Never
- read the book "Handmaid's Tale" and never saw the movie. I was
- just doing what you do. That is, I was engaging in speculation
- in the absence of any real information that what I said ever took
- place.
-
- I have never heard that ultra-right-wing Christians didn't behave
- as described. Therefore, just as you speculate about that which
- you know nothing about, I was speculating about it too. Perfectly
- fair, under the circumstances.
-
- You know, I have no evidence that you, Peter, haven't been
- engaging in carnal knowledge of barnyard animals. I find that
- very curious and suggestive, don't you?
-
- Oh, and please go on misinterpreting what I say and dragging
- in irrelevant references. It makes you look so brilliant.
-
- > > he was
- > >referring to the example of baseless speculation that you've shown
- > >with just about everything you've posted.
- >
- > When I quote from newspaper articles, magazines, books, is that baseless
- > speculation? As Holtsinger told me, you don't demand unbiased sources,
- > you merely label our sources "speculation." Sorry, the distinction's
- > been lost on me so far, but I'll try to keep it in mind.
-
- When you claim that because it is possible for clinic staff to
- have planted bombs in their own clinics when they have never been
- accused of doing so and there is no evidence that they ever have, and
- when you speculate that abortion providers have failed in their
- legal duties to report suspected cases of incest when you have
- yourself admitted that you have no information on the matter at
- all, that is baseless speculation. Your red herring above is just
- that. You never posted any "sources" for your nonsense about the
- clinic bombings or about incest. In fact, you admitted to having
- no information upon which to base your statements and tried to
- weasel away from the word "speculation" by claiming that you were
- just describing possibilities. Well, if that's how you play,
- then it is possible that you rape little girls. I have no reason
- to think that you do, but I have no reason to think that you
- don't. I don't accuse you of it, mind you, I am just saying that
- it is entirely possible.
-
- Hey, this game is really fun. Why, when you have no information
- about someone's behavior you can really speculate about all
- kinds of things.
-
- Can't you, Peter?
-
- Try slipping away from the words you posted again, and you will
- simply be reminded again of what you said.
-
- Dean Kaflowitz
-