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- From: kcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Keith "Justified And Ancient" Cochran)
- Subject: Re: control
- Message-ID: <1992Sep8.044914.2971@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
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- References: <1992Sep5.102619.11915@rigel.econ.uga.edu> <nyikos.715899847@milo.math.scarolina.edu>
- Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 04:49:14 GMT
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- In article <nyikos.715899847@milo.math.scarolina.edu> nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) writes:
- >In <1992Sep5.102619.11915@rigel.econ.uga.edu> mills@uga.edu (Kathi Mills) writes:
- >>>Nyikos
- >>>> Ferrari
- >
- >>> I am against banning contraception,
- >>>morning-after pills, IUD's (except those things in all three categories
- >>>that are significantly more dangerous than what else is available, like
- >>>DES and the Dalkon Shield), and even abortion prior to the end of the
- >>>5th week.
- >
- >>CONTRACEPTIONN IS BESIDE THE POINT!! Abortion "prior to the end of the 5th
- >>week" is basically beside the point also, since paltry few women know
- >>that they are pregnant by that time,
- >
- >If so, sex education has done a lousy job of teaching about menstrual
- >cycles and pregnancy tests, and about the desirability of EARLY abortions.
- >
-
- Peter, my mother is routinely up to 2 weeks late starting her period. My
- sister has been up to 4 weeks "out of synch". A friend of mine has been
- up to *6* (Six, you know, between 5 and 7) weeks late starting her period.
- (She takes birth control pills to get herself more "even"). Granted, Jackie
- is an exceptional case, but most women _do not_ have rhythm-steady cycles.
- Are you suggesting that these three women keep an EPT handy so they can test
- themselves they day after they "should have" started?
-
- >> much LESS have time to make up their
- >>minds about it (abortion is NOT a snap decision),
- >
- >I would expect a lot of women have made their minds up, even before
- >having intercourse, that if they get pregnant, they'll abort.
-
- And you're living in a fantasy world. Certainly some women have. I've talked
- with them. But most women (I think) have a general "If I Got Pregnant Today,
- I'd..." attitude, and then when it actually happens, they want to be able to
- take stock of their CURRENT situations.
-
- >
- >> AND get to the abortion
- >>clinic, when antis keep passing abortion restrictions and generally making
- >>it extremely difficult to get to a clinic.
- >
- >This is a bogus argument. What's a 24 hour waiting period compared to
- >5 weeks?
-
- For some women, life and death. Tell me, Peter. Is there ANY part of a
- woman's pregnancy that you don't want to legislate away?
-
- >
- >> This 5-week abortion grace
- >>period you so generously bestow upon us is nothinng but a mirage. What
- >>makes a 5-week fetus different from a 6-week onne anyway?
- >
- >Well, I can't know when sentience occurs, but there seems to be a
- >prima facie case for it beginning some time between the end of the
- ^^^^^^^^^^^Based on a book written in 1961...
- >5th week and the end of the 8th. Like I said, I am open to moving
- >up the cutoff point to the 8-week point.
-
- How about to 24 weeks, when mylination occurs, and the brain can actually
- FUNCTION???
- >
- >>>> Contraceptionn is NOT ann
- >>>>alternnative to abortion.
- >
- >>>It's too bad so many people literally believe this, like the teenagers
- >>>on a recent Oprah Winfrey show who (so I'm told, correct me if I'm
- >>>wrong) were asked why they did not use (more?) birth control, and replied
- >>>that it was because they knew they could always get an abortion.
- >
- >>Let me try this one more time, inn nice, short, sentences: Conntraception
- >>is NNOT an alternative to abortionn. (Pause while you look up that big
- >>word "contraception.") Contraception prevennts abortionn.
- >
- >>Got it?
- >
- >Sorry, repeating a statement is not the same thing as explaining it.
- >Contraception does not prevent abortion, otherwise people would not
- >be talking about "contraceptive failure." So what did you mean?
-
- Yes, folks, we have a winner in the "Tommy Kelly Look Alike Sweepstakes".
-
- Let's try it from the other end, in bigger words.
-
- If a pregnancy is avoided by the use of contraceptives, then no abortion will
- be needed. If a pregnancy is NOT avoided (ie. BC failure), then abortion can
- (and oftentimes is) used as prevent the pregnancy from proceeding.
- >
- >>Let's summarize in case you don't.
- >
- >>Contraception prevents pregnancy. Contraception does not STOP a pregnancy.
- >
- >I know that. What's your point?
-
- AAAAAUUUGGGHHHHH!!!!! (boish. boish. boish).
-
- Peter, stop playing dumb.
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