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- From: dking@raul.nas.nasa.gov (Dan King)
- Subject: Re: Father Notification Reconsidered
- References: <1992Sep3.185929.9951@advtech.uswest.com> <Bu1E8z.DIn@cs.psu.edu> <1992Sep4.160722.22559@nas.nasa.gov> <Bu4F34.DwJ@cs.psu.edu>
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- Organization: Numerical Aerodynamic Simulation Facility NASA
- Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 01:49:45 GMT
- Message-ID: <1992Sep8.014945.6036@nas.nasa.gov>
- Reply-To: dking@raul.nas.nasa.gov (Dan King)
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- db>In article <Bu4F34.DwJ@cs.psu.edu> beaver@castor.cs.psu.edu (Don Beaver) writes:
- dk>In article <1992Sep4.160722.22559@nas.nasa.gov> dking@raul.nas.nasa.gov (Dan King) writes:
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- dk>I believe that Will is not anywhere near the norm. I think the majority of
- dk>men would not respond in the same fashion as Will would. For these men,
- dk>I would hope that the woman would go to them and discuss the options
- dk>rationally. However, since men such as Will exist, I believe we must not
- dk>pass legislation that would force a woman to be put at Will's mercy.
- dk>The price for such legislation is just to damn high.
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- db>We return to "PRECISELY!" If the woman doesn't want to inform her
- db>husband, she can break the legally binding marriage contract (which
- db>exacts certain costs from him in exchange for supporting certain vested
- db>interests, and vice versa) and divorce him.
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- I'm not a legal expert, but I would be very surprised if the marriage
- contract included some sort of full disclosure agreement. If it does,
- I oppose it. If the woman doesn't want to inform her husband, she
- doesn't inform her husband.
-
- db>It might not be so bad to have a clause saying notification is
- db>not necessary if the woman can reasonably demonstrate it would put
- db>her life in danger, but such a clause permitting her a release from
- db>part of her obligations in the marriage contract should be her burden
- db>to prove. It should not be +presumed+ that notification puts a woman's
- db>life in danger.
-
- Why not? It would seem if the couple is communicating, then no legislation
- is needed. If there is a communication break down, a potential reason
- for the break down could be a violent husband such as Will.
-
- db>Why should we repress the "majority of men" because of instances
- db>"not anywhere near the norm"?
-
- Why should we put the burden of proof on the woman? Let the woman
- decide for herself what she wants to inform her husband of. Keep
- legislation out of it. For couples that communicate, legislation
- is a waste and for couples that don't communicate, legislation can
- be very dangerous. I just don't see the advantage of this legislation,
- and I see the potential for people such as Will reacting violently.
-
- In a previous post you said regarding Will Steeves threat:
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- db>Whether this is literal or not, you and I don't know; we'd have to
- db>ask Mr. Steeves how he meant it. If it is literal, and it says
- db>Mr. Steeves is a "walking time bomb," then it is probably better
- db>to correct the system that pushed him into that position and to
- db>provide some avenue of help for him (eg. therapy) than to resort
- db>to such intelligent repartee as insulting him personally.
-
- I'll make you a deal. You worry about the system that drove Will
- Steeves to such inappropriate behavior. I'll worry about the poor
- unfortunate woman that may get tied up with a creep such as Will
- Steeves. My feeling is that regardless of the system, Will Steeves
- is going to find an excuse for his inappropriate behavior. This
- time it was the woman not giving him the proper respect in informing
- him of an abortion in what he considers a reasonable time frame.
- Next time it may be some other lack of showing respect.
-
- db>Don Beaver
-
- Dan King
-