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- From: dking@raul.nas.nasa.gov (Dan King)
- Subject: Re: Father Notification Reconsidered
- References: <stricher-030992173843@stayman.ocean.fsu.edu> <1992Sep3.235935.12875@advtech.uswest.com> <stricher-040992003937@stayman.ocean.fsu.edu> <1992Sep4.161921.10851@advtech.uswest.com> <stricher-040992180150@stayman.ocean.fsu.edu>
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- Organization: Numerical Aerodynamic Simulation Facility NASA
- Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 01:45:06 GMT
- Message-ID: <1992Sep8.014506.5703@nas.nasa.gov>
- Reply-To: dking@raul.nas.nasa.gov (Dan King)
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- ca>In article <stricher-040992180150@stayman.ocean.fsu.edu> stricher@masig.fsu.edu (Char Aznabul)
- writes:
- sn>In article <1992Sep4.161921.10851@advtech.uswest.com>, steven@jaynes (Steve Novak) wrote:
-
- sn> "Kindness and sympathy"? For WHAT? Some guy that wants to control
- sn> women, and has expressed the possibility of VIOLENCE (in fact, *death*)
- sn> against a woman who doesn't report to him as he wants?
-
- ca>You can't change someone's mind if you harden their heart first. Then
- ca>they will resist you, and you end up with someone with closed ears
- ca>as well as a closed mind. It gets you nothing but a self-fullfiling
- ca>prophecy.
-
- Even I'm not enough of a bleeding heart to feel kindness and sympathy to
- Will. Will said if his SO did not show him the respect he deserved he
- would kill her. I feel sympathy toward the poor unfortunate woman who
- would be his SO. My sympathy for Will is non-existent. Steve did not
- harden Will's heart. It's already hard. Its more important that we
- make sure women are warned that creeps such as Will are out there than
- showing sympathy for Will's problems.
-
- ca>I don't think Steeves wants to control women, he just would like a
- ca>little consideration about something that could have a major repercussion
- ca>in his life.
-
- But if they don't give him what he considers the proper consideration,
- he will kill them. I fail to see why you don't feel that is an attempt
- to control. The threat of death seems like an attempt to control to me.
-
- ca>I can understand his attitude. If it happened to me, would I kill her?
- ca>No. I may be tempted to - after all, here before me stands one who in
- ca>a premeditated act murdered my child. What would you do to someone who
- ca>murdered *your* child?
-
- I have no idea. Will said he would kill his SO, if she did not show him
- the proper respect. He did not claim he would kill her over the abortion,
- but rather because she took a longer time than he found acceptable to tell
- him. I think killing his SO in both cases are wrong, but your comparison
- is weak.
-
- ca>Of course, you don't see it as a child, and you dismiss out-of-hand
- ca>those who think otherwise. But I wouldn't kill her. I wouldn't even
- ca>hit her. I'd surely turn my back on her. No woman is worth *any* jail
- ca>time.
-
- And I have no problem with you turning your back on her.
-
- ca>But please continue treating men like beasts and animals.
-
- ca>Just don't be surprised when they act the way you treat them.
-
- Thats a hell of a stretch, trying to blame Steve for Will's behavior.
- If you are missing Will's entire post, I think I can find it to repost
- it. The man should be treated like scum. Because Will should
- be treated like scum, does not mean all men should be treated the same.
-
- ca>K'Char
-
- Dan King
-