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- From: knapp@spot.Colorado.EDU (David Knapp)
- Subject: Re: Observations
- Message-ID: <1992Sep7.211043.18646@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>
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- Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 21:10:43 GMT
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- In article <1992Sep7.190944.21948@advtech.uswest.com> stevens@eatdust (John Stevens) writes:
- >In article <gzlnb8_.ray@netcom.com> ray@netcom.com (Ray Fischer) writes:
- >>stevens@eatdust (John Stevens) writes ...
- >>>In article <1992Sep1.202750.18927@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> knapp@spot.Colorado.EDU (David Knapp) writes:
- >>>The pro abortion camp IS trying to make laws to force people to do the things
- >>>they think we should be doing.
-
-
- BAD ATTRIBITE ALERT. I think it was John who said that in response to my
- assertion that Pro-choice isn't out to make laws to force people to do what
- we think is correct but the pro-life 'camp' is.
-
-
- >>First, I am NOT "pro abortion". I would object to anyone forcing an abortion
- >>just as strongly as I would object to anyone forcing pregnancy.
- >
- >Then, I would think that you would support me. After all, having a woman
- >abort your baby is forcing you to get an abortion, whether you want one or
- >not.
-
- John, you still have a most unique definition of abortion. I have not been
- able to find a single person who sees it possible for a man to have an abortion.
-
-
- >>The term
- >>of preference is pro-choice (as in given women the _choice_ whether to
- >>continue with the pregnancy).
- >
- >The least ambigous term might be pro-female-choice-NONE-for-the-father.
-
- On the other hand, if the *father* was the one carrying the fetus and the
- woman couldn't, the *women* would be out of luck.
-
- Maybe your beef is with God for making you a man?
-
- >>Second, I'm not trying to force you to do anything except respect the
- >>privacy of other people.
- >
- >You are trying to tie my hands. Which is forcing me NOT to do anything.
-
- You are forgetting that you have all the freedom in the world to find a
- woman that *wants* to have your child. For some reason you're chosing to focus
- on a situation wich is not common (your experience was the first time I'd
- ever even *heard* of it.) While you now cannot force a woman to have your
- child, and hopefully never will, you will *always* have the option of just
- finding another woman. Have you considered that?
-
- Sperm are *much* less than a dime a dozen.
-
-
- >>You insistance on being able to force a woman to give birth to your child
- >>strikes me as being rather like the chicken deciding for the pig whether
- >>you should be allowed to eat ham & eggs for breakfast.
- >
- >If this is the best analogy you can come up with, you must be re-examing
- >your belief systems about now.
- >
- >1) A pig and a chicken are not even of the same species. Are you claiming
- > that men and women are of different species?
- >
- >2) Eating, and what you eat is a personal decision. Abortion is not.
-
- I got his analogy fine.
-
- >>While the legal system is rather biased towards mothers in this area, the
- >>solution might be to modify child support & custody laws and rulings,
- >>rather than to attempt to spread the misery. Whether I, my fiancee,
- >>or my friends have, are having, or will have and abortion is none of
- >>your business, and I intend to keep it that way.
- >
- >You can try to enforce your belief system. And so can I.
- >
- >>Ray Fischer
- >>ray@netcom.com
- >
- >John
- >stevens@uswest.com
-
-
- --
- David Knapp University of Colorado, Boulder
- Perpetual Student knapp@spot.colorado.edu
-